A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Global Warming


A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Global Warming

Dr. Hayward: Thank you very much, Emma. Ladies
and gentlemen, it’s a real delight to be back in Hillsdale again – a part of normal America
– you know, this week is a heavy travel week: I’m going to be at Yale University on Friday,
where I’m going to do my best to point out to them that they have a lot of changes they
need to make if they want to be known as the Hillsdale of the northeast. And, as a few
of you know, I recently finished … I should maybe say, I recently survived a year as an
inmate at the University of Colorado at Boulder, which is Berkeley with snow, right? In a fit
of madness, they decided they wanted to hire a conservative to come try out for a year
… or, actually, three years was the idea, and I said I would try it for a year and no
longer. Boulder, of course … their idea of a conservative
at Boulder is a Trotskyite, right? And so, after I got there, I thought, this’ll be interesting,
I’m kind of a gonzo guy, I’ve been at Berkeley, how hard could this be? And I had a lot of
fun with them, because I get invited to all kinds of liberal audiences who wanted to see
this exotic zoo animal in their midst. And the first thing I would tell them is, “You
know, you have it all wrong. I’m going to let you in on a little secret. I shouldn’t,
but I will. Conservatives love Boulder.” And they would say, “Really?” And we love Boulder
especially for the “green belt” that’s around it. The environmentalists, 30 or 40 years
ago, put in a green belt to control growth and preserve their quality of life, and I
said, “The green belt is the best feature of Boulder. I wish they had one in Berkeley.
I mean, the green belt makes the quarantine so much easier to enforce. You see, it’s easy
to have our Tea Party picket line set up around the perimeter, and, you know, when a liberal’s
trying to escape, out in the real world, we round them up, hand them a bag of fresh, organic
kale, and send them back into the village. And, you guys, just stay there. It’s perfectly
fine with us if you wreck Boulder, and Madison, and Cambridge, and Berkeley, if the rest of
America is relatively safer. And then, usually, things went downhill from there.
I had a great time, actually. I was actually embedded, for a semester, in the environmental
studies department. And, boy, that was fun. I’m going to begin, tonight, with my conclusion.
And then show you how I got to this conclusion. My conclusion is that, decades from now, I
think historians are likely to look back on the hysteria over climate change today the
way we, today, look back on prohibition: as a comic misadventure that shows the harsh
limits of political enthusiasm directed against basic facts of nature and society. However
– and here’s the complicating part – whether we’ll avoid committing the folly of embracing
the energy equivalent of prohibition is still undecided. I’m thinking that we won’t, but
it may be a close-run thing, for a very simple and elemental reason, and that’s the environmental
movement, which is deeply authoritarian at its core, has an unquenchable will to power
that cannot be satisfied and will not be denied. And, so, the fate of this is in the balance,
as Al Gore might have said in a different way, and, as I say, we can’t tell, yet, whether
this will be looked back upon as a comic misadventure or a tragic misadventure.
Now, the formal title of my speech this evening is, “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to
Global Warming.” And I love this title. I wasn’t sure, though, whether Tim Caspar and
Doug Jeffrey weren’t being mischievous, a little bit, thinking that my, you know, double
chin … I was starting to look like Zero Mostel – you need to be a little older to
get that reference, I know. But I do like the title. But, actually, three funny things
have happened on the way to global warming. Three of them. First, the warming stopped.
Imagine that. Second, the policy agenda of the “climatistas,”
as I call them … or, an even better term for the climate crusaders is, “Thermageddonites.”
I didn’t think of that. That’s Briton’s Lord Monckton came up with that, and I think that
one’s really good. But the policy agenda the climatistas has been revealed to be completely
absurd. And I’ll walk you through that here in a moment. But there’s a corollary to that.
As a thought experiment, even if catastrophic human-caused climate change turned out to
be true, environmentalists are the last people we would want to put in charge of dealing
with the problem. Full stop. When I’m in a mischievous mood, I did this
at Boulder a lot; I would say to environmentalists, I said, “Look, let’s just quit arguing about
the science. It’s really tedious. But, only conservatives could fix this, you know.” And
that was always fun. The third funny thing that has happened is
something that no one predicted. There’s been some talk about it today at lunch and other
presentations, and that’s the revival of the oil … gas … energy sector through the
technological revolution of directional drilling and “rock massaging”–that’s what I call fracking,
“rock massaging.” No one saw this coming. As recently as ten years ago, all the official
forecasts, including of a lot of the energy companies–ExxonMobil’s annual forecast, British
Petroleum–they all predicted continuing declines in gas production in the United States, and
by the year 2020, not far off from now, the United States was predicted to be importing
20% of its natural gas from, guess who? And now, that has all changed. And the important
thing is this: this all happened very quietly out in the private sector, as was explained
at lunch today, and if our political class in Washington, in the media, had known this
was going on, they surely would have done something to stop it. And that’s what they’re
trying to do now, of course, but there’s too late, there’s too much momentum. Aren’t markets
and innovation wonderful? So, let’s take these in order. First, about
the warming stopping. Between roughly 1978 and 1998, a 20 year period, the catastrophic
global warming scenario seemed to have some evidence on its side. During that roughly
two decade period, the global average temperature rose suddenly and sharply by about four tenths
of a degree Celsius, and conveniently that was right in line with what a lot of the newfangled
computer climate models predicted. But then, as we say, the funny thing happened: it suddenly
stopped. Even though greenhouse gases kept rising the atmosphere at a steady rate. Now,
at first, the pause, as it’s come to be known, could be plausibly attributed to random year
over year variation, what ordinary people call, “weather,” or, what the scientists call,
a, basically, chaotic climate system, that they will quickly acknowledge they don’t fully
understand, and a couple other one-off events like the Mount Pinatubo eruption in 1992,
which changed some things, but now we’re going on 18 years … really, almost 20 years depending
on how you treat 1998, which I won’t do now, but we’re going on 17, 18, up to 20 years
without any warming, and all the models are starting to be falsified. The actual temperature
record is now falling below 95% of the climate model temperature forecast. In other words,
95% of the projections are proved to be wrong. Because there isn’t just one, by the way,
if you get into this misery. There’s several dozen different computer climate
models generating a different temperature forecast. And the record of the last two decades
is now falling below the lowest forecast for the future. All but about one or two of the
models are basically still in the … If this goes on for another five to ten years, 100%
of the models will be shown to be wrong. Because the basic theory says we should be continuing
to increase about two-tenths of a degree per decade as long as greenhouse gases are going
up at the rate they are, and it’s not happening. It is becoming the biggest embarrassment for
the scientific consensus since Piltdown Man. You know, somebody today asked Ken Greene
about, or made reference to the email scandals of the East Anglia climate unit in 2009. There’s
one of those emails from climatologist Kevin Trenberth, he’s one of the deep-dish climate
alarmists at Boulder, and he said, in one of those emails, and I’ll quote him here,
he said it was a “travesty” that climate scientists could not explain the pause. And that’s five
years ago, now, and we’re still pausing. They’ve been scrambling ever since to offer
a whole series of explanations, and the intergovernmental panel on climate change, the U.N.’s I.P.C.C.,
as Ken mentioned today, they’re doing their best to paper this all over and twist and
shout and do everything they can to try and cover up the fact that their scheme is failing.
I think maybe my favorite moment in the media … there’s only a couple people in the media
who cover this honestly … one of them I should give fair credit to is Andy Revkin
at the New York Times, who’s pretty environmentalist in sympathies but pretty much plays this issue
straight. Good for him. The other is The Economist magazine, which is otherwise very much within
the so-called consensus, and they wrote, back in March, quote, “If climate scientists were
credit rating agencies, climate sensitivity would be on negative watch.” Good for The
Economist. Now, I’m a glutton for punishment, so … this
is why Ken and I are friends, I guess. I read through a lot of the latest I.P.C.C. report
on climate science. It came out about a year ago. The science report is, you know, 1300
pages long or something. In particular, if you’re a glutton, I recommend reading chapter
nine. It is called, “Evaluation of Climate Models.” It’s 218 pages long, 218 pages of
very small print, and, Ken said you can’t quote it; actually, you can’t even read it.
That’s not quite true; it takes a long time to figure out what’s going on. You know, these
days, if the complaint made of people like me and Ken if we say the word uncertain or
uncertainty it’s bad faith. A chapter on computer climate models from the U.N., it has the word
uncertain or uncertainty 173 times in 218 pages, and it uses the term error or errors
192 times. I’ll describe a couple of these errors and uncertainties for you. What they
try to persuade you is we keep twisting the knobs on these computer models long enough
we can get it to match up with what’s happened. Except you keep going and you realize they
can’t even do that. And they admit these things very grudgingly and talk about how certain
areas of essential knowledge of how the climate system works continue to really elude our
grasp. In particular, clouds. Clouds and water vapor. That’s really important to the story.
So, let me quote one quotable part, which goes like this: “There remain,” this is a
quote, now, “There remain significant errors on the model simulation of clouds.” Next sentence.
“It is very likely that these errors contribute significantly to the uncertainties and estimates
of cloud feedbacks, and, consequently, in the climate change projections.” And, if you
really read it carefully and … ten times … you realize that they admit that it’s
possible that clouds … they admit that clouds could cancel out most of the forcing effect
of greenhouse gases. This is what people like Richard Lindzen have been saying for a long
time. Now, I’m not just a glutton for reading these
reports when they come out. I went to the trouble of finding some of the drafts leading
up to it. You can get people to leak these things to you. And one of the last drafts
before the final report came out had this sentence in it. In that same chapter nine,
which I thought was quite curious. Here’s the quote: “The ability of a climate model
to make future climate projections cannot be directly evaluated.” Let that sink in for
a minute. We can’t even evaluate our models. That sentence was dropped from the final report.
I’m sure someone said, hey, wait a minute, we can’t say that. Instead, after a lot of
mumbley-mouth stuff about, you know, why the pause is happening and we’re still confident
that we want to keep playing with our knobs, this sentence appeared, instead. This one’s
even better, actually, when you think about it. Quote: “These projections were not intended
to be predictions over the short time scales for which observations are available to date.”
Translation: pay no attention to our models behind the curtain. Just trust our judgment
that the end is near. You know, the great social scientist James
Q. Wilson used to say that social scientists should quit trying to predict the future because
they can’t even predict the past. I think the climate science community might well heed
that advice. Where is the missing heat if you just want
to go from the orthodox climate theory? Most of the climatistas say it’s going into the
deep ocean. And while that’s a plausible theory, we have very little data to substantiate it,
and some data that’s coming in recently suggests that it’s not happening. And we have even
less understanding about how that might play out in the future. Other explanations for
the pause include unusual western Pacific wind patterns–I’m not making this up–aerosols,
which means, you know, a higher level of particulates in the atmosphere, and, my favorite, increased
solar variation. There’s this thing up in the sky called the
sun. You may have seen it. And, what’s strange is, an awful lot of people, I mean, not just
ordinary citizens who wonder about this, but scientists, even, would say, you know, what
about variations in solar radiation and sun spots and the climate science community, as
always, says, no, and their official models, if you read them, say it’s a very tiny factor
in any variation in the climate, and so, for them now to say solar variation is driving
the pause, that’s interesting, isn’t it? How convenient.
We’re up now to something like 57 possible explanations for the pause. I think they’re
pulling that off a ketchup bottle. Right? Now, the pause and the admittedly persistent
limitations and errors of the computer climate models resemble in my mind the kind of anomalies
that the philosopher and historian Thomas Kuhn famously explained should constitute
a crisis for a dominant scientific theory. And while the climatistas refuse to acknowledge
it, this crisis is causing some serious second thoughts about the basic question of climate
sensitivity. In other words … Ken gave a short primer on this afternoon, if you were
here. It’s true that greenhouse gases hurry the temperature a little bit, and the climate
sensitivity models have always said, and they’ve always been rigged to say, it’s going to do
a lot! And there are more and more studies published in the peer reviewed scientific
journals saying, know what? We have been systematically overestimating climate sensitivity. It’s much,
much lower than we’ve been led to believe, and … really, what this comes to is, this
is a non-problem. Or not the kind of problem we’ve been told about. But instead of confronting
the fact that their cause has floundered mostly of its own dead weight, the climatistas have
ratcheted up new levels of bad faith and grasping authoritarianism. That’s the technical terms
for what they’re doing, I think. The result of the latest catalog of exaggerated
claims and appalling clichés is, you know, it’s endless, but the most egregious one is
one that I’m sure many of you have heard of or seen on T.V. It’s the ubiquitous refrain
that 97% of all scientists believe in climate change. By the way, they even use that word;
believe, like it’s an article of religious faith, which I think is also a curious thing.
And it’s not just climate advocates. NASA, a federal government agency, says … they
have a web page that says, that phrase, 97% of scientists believe in climate change. That’s
our government speaking, now. And, of course, the political suggestion behind
this is, if 97% of scientists believe in climate change, then, therefore, they must all agree
with the environmentalist agenda to suppress energy. So, where did this 97% figure come
from? When you explore its lineage, it turns out to be about as convincing as a Chicago
election. No, you can’t believe that, right? … The most prominent form of it comes from
a paper by a professor in Australia named John Cook at the University of Queensland,
and he published this paper in an obscure journal, and it’s just rocketed around and
it’s become the big thing. And what this study purported to do was review the abstracts of
11,000 climate science articles. Now, just stop right there. It’s important they say,
abstracts. No one’s going to read 11,000 climate articles.
Even a whole team of graduate students is not going to read through 11,000 science articles.
So they read the abstracts, fair enough. The abstract is always that one paragraph summary
at the head of any academic journal article. Well, here’s the abstract to the Cook paper,
which no one in the media seems to have the wit to read for themselves. First sentence:
“We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on anthropogenic global warming,
comma.” I’ll stop right there. Two thirds–66%–two thirds of the papers express no opinion on
human-caused global warming. Let’s keep going. Thirty-two point six percent endorsed anthropogenic
global warming. Zero point seven percent rejected it and 0.3% were uncertain. Okay.
So that means a third of those papers had an opinion on human-caused global warming.
So, the next sentence says this: “Among abstracts expressing a position on human-caused global
warming, 97.1% endorse the consensus positions that humans are causing the warming.”
Somehow this has become 97% of all scientists, when it’s 97% of a third of scientists. Or,
you might put it this way. You could just as easily say, 66% of scientists publishing
in the field have expressed no firm opinion on the matter. Or, still another way to think
about it is, this is the grandfather of all simple-minded tautologies. Among all the scientists
who agree with the consensus, are all the scientists who agree with the consensus. That
would be an adequate way of saying it. Now, initially Professor Cook refused to share
the data with anybody else to how they’ve been coded, and, what have they matched up.
That’s always a bad sign right there, isn’t it? But, of course, in the modern world, with
things planted on internet databases, somebody found the data. And, lo and behold, some of
the articles turned out to be not really about climate science at all. One article that was
billed as a science article was about U.S. media coverage of climate change issues. Strangely,
in those 11,000 papers, there’s not a single one from Richard Lindzen of M.I.T. He’s the
most prominent skeptic in the climate science community, who has been publishing on the
subject since 1961. None of his papers were included, somehow. And yet, this phrase … I
mean, you can’t go anywhere now without seeing it or, you know, get on the center for climate
progress without seeing that 97% of scientists agree. Or believe in, right?
Well, it’s clear that the climate establishment has become as narrowly intolerant as any department
of gender studies on a college campus, and for much the same reason. What this really
masks is a will to power, as I said at the beginning. There’s a pretty good new book
out on American environmentalism, called Climate of Crisis, by Emory University historian Patrick
Allitt. It’s not a bad book, I reviewed it last week in the Weekly Standard, and he thinks
that the next generation of scientists, like previous generational successions, will seek
to overturn the conventional wisdom of the current community. I hope he’s right about
that. Now, I understand the academic dynamic, but I’m not so sure. I don’t think it’s like
history, where each generation of historians likes to say the previous one was all wrong
about the American founding, or something, right? I’m not sure it works that way in science.
I think he underestimates how deeply the environmental movement is invested in the idea of catastrophic
climate change. But, that leads me to the second funny thing
that happened on the way to global warming, and that’s the still incomplete realization
of the sheer absurdity of the climate policy agenda. Now, global warming was always the
dream issue for environmentalists, because it gave them license to commandeer the entire
energy sector of the entire world. And, as energy is the master resource that enables
all other resource use, it’s the … I would say, the platform for material human progress
itself. Getting control of energy is the commanding height of human civilization. But, what they
have proposed is a transformation of the world’s energy system so sweeping and so unrealistic
that it would make King Canute blush with embarrassment.
And, here, I’m going to have to walk you through a few numbers. I tend not to like to try and
do numbers in a talk like this, because it can be hard to follow. I didn’t want to do
PowerPoint for the same reason as Ken, because numbers on a screen are even worse, in some
ways, because you can’t see em. So, I’m going to try and stick with me on this, and I’ll
make this as straightforward and comprehensible as possible. But, you begin with this. The
target of climate policy orthodoxy is an 80% percent reduction … eight zero … 80% reduction
in carbon dioxide emissions worldwide, not just the United States, worldwide by the year
2050. Eighty percent reduction by 2050. I call it
for shorthand the 80 by 50 target. No one actually knew what this meant in practice
until I and a few other people got after it. And … you know, you throw out these large
… 80% of something, and, you know, six billion tons of emissions. What does this all mean?
It’s hard to know when you’re throwing around these … my eyes glaze over numbers, right?
Well, here’s how this works, and I’ll translate this into real terms for you.
The big round number you start with is that … it’s changed a little bit, but this is
good enough for our purposes, here. The figure that the Department of Energy starts with
from a few years ago is … The U.S… . we’ll just use the U.S. for now … U.S. emitted
about six billion tons a year of carbon dioxide. That’s about 20 tons per capita. Twenty tons
for each of us. Now, 20 tons sounds like a lot. One little fact that’s fun is, each one
of us individually exhales about 800 pounds a year of carbon dioxide, just from breathing.
So, you can see, a nice down payment on the way to your 20 tons, just from breathing in
and out. So that’s not really that much if you think about it, then. Twenty tons. Now,
an 80% reduction … actually 83% in the Waxman-Markey Bill, but don’t worry about that … it takes
us down to about 1.1 billion tons. Or, if you want to just keep it simple, we’re going
from six billion, roughly, in round numbers, to about one billion.
Now, the first threshold question I got curious about was: when was the last time the United
States’ carbon dioxide emissions were that low? You can figure this out … takes a little
bit of work; it’s not that hard … you got to go through the historical data tables that
are available. And, the answer you come to is that the U.S. last emitted a billion tons
of carbon dioxide around 1910. Maybe 1905. That’s another calculation someone else did
that’s pretty good. In 1910 the U.S. had only 92 million people. If you do the math, that
meant we had about ten tons per capita emission. So, about half of the level we are today,
with 92 million people. However, in the year 2050, if the census bureau is right, we’re
going to have about 420 million people in this country. What that means is, if we’re
going to have to stay under a billion tons of total emissions for the whole country,
each one of us will have to lower our per-capita emissions to 2.5 tons a person. That’s one
quarter the amount our great, great grandparents emitted 100 years ago. When, by the way, their
incomes were, you know, a fraction of what they are today. Didn’t have air conditioning,
didn’t have flat screen TVs, didn’t have a lot of refrigerators. Didn’t have many cars.
You’re starting to see where this is going. I did look up … when was the last time the
U.S. was … I think, by the way, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions may have never been that
low, even in the colonial era, when we were only burning mostly wood and some whale oil.
But, from the data tables, I was able to figure out that the last time we were at 2.5 tons
per capita of carbon dioxide emissions was 1875. There is a technical name for this kind
of policy target. That name is Looney Tunes. This is not going to happen in 36 years or
whatever that time frame is off from now, right? There are a few nations that emitted
2.5 tons per capita that we can look at as possible models. Belize, Mauritius, Haiti,
Somalia … you get the picture. Desperately poor countries emit at that level because
they’re poor. By the way … this is also something that
any sensible person understands … really poor countries, what are their environmental
records like, overall? They’re really, really bad. Their water’s terrible, they cut down
all their trees, they overgraze their land, they pollute their water terribly … you
don’t want to be that kind of country. That’s not how you solve environmental problems.
You need to get rich to solve environmental problems.
What about those enlightened Europeans? Well, the best countries in the world that are industrialized
and wealthy are France and Switzerland. They both get about 90% of their electricity from
nuclear power and hydro power, which have no greenhouse gas emissions. And, they’re
compact countries, right? People don’t drive a long way in France or Switzerland. They
don’t have to ship to, you know, Paris to Lyon … they don’t ship goods very far in
that country. Agricultural goods or any other. Here, we ship stuff from Chicago to Los Angeles,
right? We ship things a long way. We’re not the same. But, even there, those two countries,
with all their super green policies, their per capita emissions are 6.5 tons per capita.
You know, two and a half times the target we’re told we have to meet by the environmentalists.
I could go on with this, and … I might go just a little bit more to give you a little
bit more grasp of this. I’m still on sort of large numbers, right? Per capita and all
the rest of that. Give you one more example of how crazy this is. Remember, our target’s
about one billion tons. Now, when the Department of Energy does these
assessments and gives us our emissions inventory, they break the U.S. economy into four basic
sectors. Residential: our houses, and apartments, and condos, and whatnot. Commercial: office
buildings. Industrial: our factories. And, transportation: how we all move around and
move our things. Those four sectors. So, remember. One billion tons for the whole
country in 2050. All four sectors. Right now, the household sector. Just living at home,
making our coffee. We emit 1.2 billion tons of CO2, just from our houses. That’s, you
know, 20% higher than a target for the whole country for everything 36 years from now,
when we’re going to have a whole lot more people. Now, if we have the same pie in 2050
as today, and that could change, but it’s worth using the same pie, or same share, it
means the household sector in the year 2050 would have to emit no more than about 205
million tons. Instead of the 1.2 billion we emit today. So, I decided to break that down
even further. To figure out some interesting things.
How many of you here who have houses … some of you are students, I know … how many of
you have natural gas in your houses? For your furnaces? Yeah … yeah, a bunch of you, right?
And that’s the state of the art for new houses. It’s much more efficient than electric heating.
Remember I said 205 million tons for the household sector in 2050 for everything? Today, CO2
emissions just from natural gas use in our houses, before you flip a single light switch:
237 million tons. So, our natural gas use today is already higher than what it’s supposed
to be in 2050 for the whole household sector for all uses.
I mean, the Department of Energy projections … they’re all saying, this is a joke, right?
You know, household use of energy overall is going to be much higher by 2030. That’s
as far out as their projections go, right now, is 2030. We’re supposed to be building
something like 40 million residential households in the U.S. I can go on with this. I have
sort of gone down … drilled down even further to point out that if you try and do this through
conservation … that’s what some of my friends in the Natural Resources Defense Council say
… let’s just do conservation … and are we really going to weatherize the entire housing
stock? Well, it turns out you can’t do that if you try and … if you run through the
numbers, what you find is, you don’t even have enough electricity to run your hot water
heater. Forget flat screen TVs or refrigerators. Same thing’s true of transportation. I’ll
just give you one last thing, here, and then I’ll stop with numbers. Right now, our cars
and trucks consume about 180 billion gallons of motor fuel a year. Now, again, if the transportation
sector’s going to stay within our total emissions budget, we’d have to shrink that down, at
best, to about 30 billion gallons. Well, the last time we consumed 30 billion gallons for
our cars and trucks and transportation was 1930. If every single person in the country
drove a Toyota Prius, in 2050, we’d still overshoot the transportation sector emissions
target by 40 to 50%. And that … I’ve left out airplanes, by the way. Airplanes are actually
small of our total, but it’s like 5% of our total fuel consumption, is airplanes. And
no one’s yet figured out how you’re going to electrify an airplane. We may electrify
cars someday, better than we’re doing now, you know … Teslas are kind of fun, but they’re
not very practical, nor are they affordable for an ordinary human being.
So, the clear implication of this target is that we have to replace the entire fossil
fuel energy infrastructure over the next three decades. That’s what they’re telling us to
do. And not just the United States, but for the whole world.
Even if it could be done at all, and I think it can’t, it would be a multi-trillion dollar
proposition. Let me share with you an interesting couple of sentences from the International
Energy Agency. They’re folks based in Paris, they do really good international energy analysis
… they publish a world forecast every year that’s really good … and, they were discussing
this problem. And, they said this. They make reference here, by the way, to the 450 parts
per million target, that’s part of climate … I won’t bother explaining that now, but,
I don’t think you need to know it to understand what the sentence means. Here’s the quote
from the I.E.A. in 2008: “In other words, the O.E.C.D. countries” … that’s, you know,
the industrialized countries of the world … “the O.E.C.D. countries alone cannot put
the world onto the path to 450 parts per million even if they were to reduce their emissions
to zero.” Pause there. What they’ve just said in that
sentence is, the United States, Europe, Japan … could disappear off the face of the earth
and the world would still not come close to the target of climate orthodoxy. Why? Well,
because China and India are growing, and Brazil, and, you know, Africa would like to develop.
So would the rest of Asia. And, by the way, they’re doing that mostly with coal. Let me
come back to the point in a moment. Let me continue with what the I.E.A. said:
“Even leaving aside any debate about the political feasibility of the 450 policy scenario, it
is uncertain whether the scale of the transformation envisaged is even technically achievable as
the scenario assumes broad deployment of technologies that have not yet been proven. The technology
shift, if achievable, would certainly be unprecedented in scale and speed of deployment.” This is
remarkably direct language from one of these international bureaucracies. And when this
came out, guess what happened? All hell broke loose from the climate community. They denounced
the I.E.A. and essentially they forced them to retract this statement. Next year they
said, oh, we can do it … you know, they went back to the usual happy talk clichés
of unicorn flop sweat and all other … you know, banana peels, and all the other things
we can power the world with. They got hammered for that bit of honesty. Because that’s what
the climate campaign is like. One of the things that’s important to understand
is that energy transitions are very long. That was true with past energy transitions
from wood to coal, from coal to oil, and now we’re making a transition in this country,
and others, to natural gas. Transitions are long for the same reason that the turnover
in our housing stock tends to be long. Our energy systems represent large, long-term,
fixed capital investments, and you don’t generally replace large infrastructure before its useful
life is over. Because that’s economically wasteful. It’d be like remodeling your whole
house because you don’t like the color in the kitchen and the bathroom. Or replacing
your 2-year-old refrigerator with a new model because it’s 10% more energy efficient. But
that’s the energy equivalent of what the climatistas want. They want a multi-trillion dollar outlay
to replace energy systems that are not worn out and, importantly, whose conventional air
pollution has already been reduced to the vanishing point.
Now, I’m pretty sure … in fact, I would bet a lot on this, that both Robert Bryce
and Mark Mills tomorrow, who are absolutely fantastic … they’re going to go through
some of the comparative defects of the current menu of alternative and renewable energy supplies.
That make the environmentalists wake up happy in the morning. I mean, like, wind, and solar,
and bio-fuels. Suffice it today as a placeholder until you hear from Robert and Mark tomorrow
is, they’re vastly more expensive and not scalable to global or even national needs,
and in many cases have enormous negative environmental trade-offs of their own. Ken mentioned a few
today about ethanol. That’s true of wind and solar as well. Meanwhile, what is going on
is, as in so many other domains … the Obama administration’s not waiting … going to
take executive action … the Supreme Court, in 2007, improvidently told the E.P.A. that,
yes, you can regulate greenhouse gases under the clean air act, a law written for a completely
different problem with tools that are completely inappropriate to this problem, even if you
think it is a giant problem. And, so, they have announced this very complicated and convoluted
plan to regulate the electricity sector in the United States.
And, as these things go, it’s, you know, 675 pages of the main plan, and then the 400 page
impact assessment that analyzes the costs and benefits, and it’s very hard to understand.
They emphasize their flexibility in announcing this. And each state has a different target
based on its carbon intensity because, you know, some states like … I’ve never looked
at Michigan, but Ohio and Indiana get about 80% of their electricity from coal. Washington
State gets almost none of their electricity from coal because they have all those old
nuclear power plants and all those big dams on the Columbia River.
So, different states have different electricity profiles, and they’re trying to take this
into account, although, of course, that’s where the mischief begins, because a bureaucrat’s
flexibility today is their mandate tomorrow, right? So, there’s all this language about,
we’ll have a menu of options, because, by the way, without getting into the legal parts
of this, they can’t directly say to an individual coal plant, you have to shut down or you have
to reduce your emissions by some unrealistic amount, because that would fail a legal challenge.
But they can do it indirectly, and bureaucrats are great at that. So look at this menu of
things you can do: conservation, increase your heart rate, and, maybe even, they say,
a cap and trade scheme between different states and different regions. And, although, you
know, again, if you peel this apart very carefully, it looks like a wealth transfer from red states
to blue states. Who knows what it will cost, but, the E.P.A. claims, with a straight face,
that this scheme will reduce everyone’s energy costs.
Now, I’ve been asking the question … there’s several states, this one student this afternoon
made a question about states with renewable portfolio standards. This is where we mandate
you’re going to get your electricity from windmills and solar panels. You can’t point
to a single state with a renewable portfolio standard where the energy costs have gone
down. Quite the opposite. All those states have higher than average electricity rates.
When Gina McCarthy, the head of the E.P.A., was announcing this back in June, I’m watching
all these unbelievable claims, and I just kept thinking, when is she going to say, if
you like your utility rates, you can keep your utility rates? That’s what she’s saying,
it was unbelievable. Contrast that typical bureaucratic dishonesty with Barack Obama
himself. I’m going to give him a little credit for honesty, here. Back in the 2008 campaign
he said this … some of you may remember this quote: “Under my plan of a cap and trade
system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Businesses would have to retrofit
their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that cost on to consumers.” End
quote. I don’t see why we shouldn’t take him at his word.
Now, I’ll just give you one more. One of the E. P.A. fact sheets. Again, a glutton, I read
through these crazy things. It’s … you know, I have no life, I guess. One of the E.P.A.
fact sheets says the following: “We expect” … this is a quote, here … “We expect extensive
and very rapid changes in the structure of the power sector.” Again, once you fight your
way through the fog of bureaucratese and learn how these things work, you understand what
they’re really proposing is to make the E.P.A. a federal public utility commission. And,
they’re going to regulate the electricity grid, now.
Now, the way the clean air act works, in shorthand is, is states are supposed to come up with
plans to implement it in their state. That makes some sense for conventional air pollution
for a lot of reasons I won’t bore you with now. Once this rule is made final, I think
next June it becomes final, the clock starts ticking, and states are supposed to submit
a plan within a year of how to satisfy these targets the E.P.A. has set out for them. That’s
a high order. There’s all kinds of problems. State departments of environmental quality
actually don’t have jurisdiction over electricity grids, so they’re going to have to get the
public utilities commissions, and these inter-agency task force, and … the bureaucracy’s going
to be wonderful. I am wondering, and hoping, especially in
light of the election results, that there are going to be a number of states who said
no to Obamacare will say no to the E.P.A. Because, by the way, the fallback of the clean
air act has always been, if you don’t do a plan, we’ll come in and do a plan for you
and impose it on your state. It’s so much better if you do it, because you’re closer
to things. Well, you know, if 20 states said, no, we’re not going to do this, and the E.P.A.,
yes, has the legal authority to come in and say, we’re going to impose a plan on you,
then, but I think it would break the E.P.A. to try it. And I’ll bet they’re terrified
of that idea. Which is why I’m going to be encouraging governors and state legislatures
to say, no. We’re not going to do this. There’s going to be a legal challenge, and so it’ll
be in limbo for a while, but I think that’s the right … No, we’re not going to do this.
Finally, on this, and then I’ll move to a conclusion and questions … The target emissions
reduction is just 30% from the electric power sector, which is only one of … which only
accounts for, what, 35% of our emissions in the U.S. overall, I forget. In other words,
we’re talking about maybe, if it really worked, a 10% reduction in total greenhouse gas emissions,
if it all worked according to plan. The E.P.A. touts enormous benefits from doing this. We’ll
reduce ozone, we’ll reduce particulate pollution. Of course, that’s what the clean air act does
already. It’s happening very fast, so they’re just proposing to do the same thing they’re
already doing, only in a different way, and more onerous. There’s one thing conspicuously
missing from the claims of benefits in the E.P.A.’s assessment: they make no claim that
their regulations would affect climate change. And that’s because it won’t.
You know, I tried to get a couple reporters to try asking at the White House press … but,
it would just punt to the E.P.A., but, the question would be, if you run full … assume
this plan works like a charm and you meet all those emissions targets. What difference
would it make if you ran that through the computer climate models through the year 2100?
The best guess is, it would change the temperature by two one-hundredths of one degree. Which
is, actually, you know, inside the margin of error. In other words, it makes no difference,
right? So, why are we doing this? Well … oh, by the way, and even Al Gore … someone asked
about… are you going to mention Al Gore? And I said, I wasn’t sure I would, but he
described the E.P.A. proposal quite revealingly as symbolic. Al Gore, in a rare moment of
honesty. The environmental movement is delighted about
this after saying they didn’t want to do it this way because they love bureaucracy, and
I think what they’re hoping is, is once you cement in place the E.P.A.’s authority, a
30% reduction can be ratcheted up to a 50% reduction, and then a 75% reduction, and then,
maybe 100% at some point, all on the authority of the E.P.A. alone, bypassing congress.
Let me move towards a conclusion and one last quick point, my third funny thing, which I
can do in just one paragraph, actually. Here’s … the point of this middle point of my analysis.
The second funny thing is: the cruel irony for the climateers is that the worse the dimensions
of climate change, the more farcical are their proposed remedies.
So, you know, we may try to close 500 coal plants, or about … still a little over 500
coal plants, but right now there are 1,000 coal plants under construction elsewhere in
the world, and my guess is, we’re going to build another 5,000 of them, at least, in
the next 20 years. Because, as the Chinese put it to Al Gore in 1998 in Kyoto: we don’t
understand you Americans. You expect us to be poor forever? And the Indian said to him
… this has never been reported, by the way. The Indian said to him, when he was trying
to bully them. He had to join in this madness. He said, you know, you got rich on fossil
fuels. Now, it’s our turn. When we’re as rich as you, then we’ll talk about emissions limits.
Well, that’s about 75 years off for India. And, so, the real deniers today are the climateers
who refuse to consider that their case for catastrophe has weakened, while promoting
completely unserious solutions that do little or nothing to stimulate the energy transition
they say they want. Their default position continues to be simpleminded exaggeration
or distortion of every possible angle. Know what? Somebody’ll say today: it’s warm today.
It’s global warming. Next week, it’s going to be really cold, here. It’ll be climate
change. Right? So, that’s the distortions. And the opinion polls show that the public
has a case of, what I call, apocalypse fatigue. And, so, they’ve rankly politicized this issue
and demonized any self-criticism even within its ranks.
You know, there’s this one lady … Judith Curry at Georgia Tech, who’s always been in
the conventional climate science community until five or six years ago, she started saying,
you know, I think maybe we have some things wrong, here. And we should re-think some things.
And, by the way, we ought to talk to some of the climate skeptics instead of screaming
at them. Well, guess what’s happened to her? She’s been cast into outer darkness and she
was the chairman of the, what, the geophysics department at Georgia Tech. Person of considerable
scientific chops. That’s what happens if you raise a dissent or a doubt.
Finally, I said that there was a third funny thing that happened, and that was the unexpected
revival of oil and gas. And, I want to use that to say … as I say, Robert Bryce and
Mark Mills will talk about this tomorrow in what’s ahead, especially Mark, he has a degree
in engineering from M.I.T. He really knows the nitty-gritties of this. And it’s true,
what people said today, what … Ann McElhinney said last night, and what I’ve just said,
the environmentalists are relentless authoritarians. On the other hand, think how depressing it
must be to be an environmentalist right now. And to see this surge in natural gas and oil
production going on that’s going to spread around the world, right?
I mean, for the longest time, the environmentalists said, we’ve just got to get to using renewable
energy and banana peels and whatever else because we’re going to run out of oil and
coal and gas. Anyone remember peak oil? Anyone heard of peak oil lately? And now the problem
for environmentalists is that we’re not going to run out of these fuels anytime soon. Again,
ten years ago, environmentalists were saying, you know, we’re for natural gas. It’s a bridge
fuel, they’d say. Now, they’re against natural gas. They’ve gone all John Kerry on us. They
were before natural gas before they were against it. And … you have to know environmental
folklore here, and I’ll end with this. As recently as 1998, that was when the first
Kyoto treaty was signed, environmentalists thought, hey, we’re on our way. This Kyoto
thing is going to work. In 1999, all the leading environmental groups in America said, the
leading environmental problem of today is suburban sprawl. And that’s when they made
a big push in 1999 and 2000, because they thought, well … we’ve signed the treaty.
Right? That’s a particular tic of the liberal mind, right? You’ve solved problems by having
signing ceremonies on the White House lawn. And if you had predicted to an environmentalist
in 1998 that not only would the Kyoto treaty go down in flames, that there would be a massive
revival in oil and gas, that the price of natural gas would go from $14 down to 2 and
it would suddenly be abundant as far as the eye can see, I think they might have marched
out into the sea and drowned themselves. Come to think of it, maybe that’s not a … anyway,
I will stop there and turn to your questions and comments. Thank you.
I can’t see very far, anymore, so it’d be good if you …
Facilitator: I’ll point em out. Thank you, Dr. Hayward. We have a couple microphones
here. Please raise your hands and stand up when the microphone gets to you and, also,
they will hold the microphone for you. Thank you.
Dr. Hayward: It’s just like a classroom. Students never want to ask the first question after
a lecture. There’s a brave fellow. Go, sir. Dr. Kenneth Hayes: Yeah, I have two questions.
Do you know where 2014 is targeted to be in terms of the hottest years on record? Is it
going to be in the top 10, or the top 20, top 50?
Dr. Hayward: Yeah, it’s somewhere in the top 10 or 20, yeah.
Dr. Hayes: Yeah. It’s headed to be number one.
Dr. Hayward: There’s dispute about that. Dr. Hayes: Well, we just have to wait another
six or seven weeks … Dr. Hayward: Right.
Dr. Hayes: … we’ll know the answer, but have you looked at the hottest months of the
year? Have you looked at May, and April, and June, and July? They’ve been the hottest months
on the planet this year. Have you followed that?
Dr. Hayward: Yes … if you look at the satellite data, it’s not looking that way. That’s based
on the ground temperature data, and that’s a big, furious controversy, as I’m sure you
must know. Dr. Hayes: I understand the data pretty well.
Can you summarize … Dr. Hayward: … And by the way, so what,
by the way. I mean, so, you want to have a debate here, fine…
Dr. Hayes: So what? So what, it’s the hottest … it’ll be the hottest year on record…
Dr. Hayward: Well, we’ve been up in the plateau, I expect all these years to be among the hottest
of the last century. Why is that news? Dr. Hayes: Well, can you tell me what evidence
you have that there’s been a pause in the warming? Can you tell me that evidence? Briefly.
Very briefly. Just a little bit. Dr. Hayward: I’ll give you three words: satellite
temperature record. Razi Lane: Thank you very much for your time,
coming out today, this evening. My question’s going to be going back to your talk about
Dr. Richard Lindzen, dealing specifically with climate models in and of themselves.
What, in your opinion, is the specific flaw with hockey stick graphs and stuff that the
I.P.C.C. uses, specifically, what foster things such as the Kyoto protocol and the U.N.F.C.C.C.,
and how can we go about addressing that in today’s modern era? Thank you, sir.
Dr. Hayward: Wait. Hold on, you had two or three parts, there. One was hockey stick?
Is that right? … Razi Lane: Yes, sir.
Dr. Hayward: … And then I.P.C.C. what? I didn’t quite take it all in. You’re going
fast. Razi Lane: Sorry. Yeah, basically just the
climate models, themselves. What the flaws are, how can we go about addressing those?
And, the hockey stick graph as one of those models.
Dr. Hayward: Yeah. The hockey stick’s not a model. That’s a temperature reconstruction
based on a whole lot of what we call proxy data. I quit following that, too, after about
… when did the national academy of science’s report on that come out, 2007 or 2008? And
… that was before you had the email … the email leaks that were so interesting because
what it showed is so many of the people who had worked on that didn’t care for Michael
Mann very much at all. It’s pretty funny. To read those. The National Academy of Science
has put a report out in 2007, 2008 about reviewing the hockey stick, and news headlines all said,
vindicates hockey stick! I read the report. Guess what, it said something else. I’ll have
to do this from memory. I wrote it all in a couple of articles. Toward the end, they
did several things. They criticized Mann and his collaborators, Bradley and the other guys,
for not sharing their data. Not being transparent. Second, they said … the National Academy
of Science, Gerald North at Texas was the guy did … they were given the data and they
looked through it, went through all the stuff, and they said, looks to us like this is only
really reliable back about 400 years. Before that, we’re making stuff up. That’s not quite
the language they used, but that’s what it said, and in their press conference they sort
of said, you know, we’ve overdone this whole thing. And that’s kind of where things were
left. And then, like I say, when the emails came out, I wrote two articles about it…
long articles in The Weekly Standard that just went through, saying, look what some
of these guys say about each other and about the limitations of their own work. It was
pretty revealing and pretty amazing. Partly, it was a “circle the wagons” thing.
They didn’t want to admit any of those doubts or uncertainties in their own work. So … and
now, of course, Michael Mann is suing National Review and … what’s his name, Mark Steyn,
right? And it’s a bizarre suit as a libel matter, and we’ll see how this goes. I mean,
I can’t imagine they really want to get into discovery on this. I don’t know what Mann’s
thinking, so, that wasn’t a model, that was a temperature … what does the past look
like, right? I guess, the other point of it is, the I.P.C.C. adopted, or, inserted that
thing in their 2001 report at the last minute. Most of the people who worked on … never
saw it. And that raised a lot of people’s ire. Because it seemed to be put in by the
politicians at the end. So, someone else? Man: Thank you very much for coming out and
speaking. Just a question for you. Because you alluded to this during your whole speech,
but never really explicitly said it. How do you separate the science from the politics?
In other words, you talked about the … it being described as a “belief” and then, all
of a sudden, this one lady was just going out and saying, this is what I found, and
then she was actually cast out. How do you separate that? How do you find the truth in
all the muck and all of the political banter? Dr. Hayward: Yeah. That’s a good question.
Did you all hear the question? It was, how do you separate science and politics, is that
a fair enough a re-summary? Here’s the basic problem, and maybe I should’ve
put it this way. Science tells us what is. It doesn’t tell us what to do about things.
I mean, a corollary position might be … let’s go back 20 … let’s go back to the late ‘70s
when, by the way, if you go back to newspapers … the leading environmental problem, according
to Jimmy Carter, was acid rain. Let’s study the matter. We spent ten years on NAPAP: National
Acid Precipitation Assessment Project. It concluded, in three volumes, that the problem
was real but overstated. But, then, what do you do about it? The report didn’t say what
to do about it. That’s what science out to be about, is describing
how something happens. Now, what happens here and, you know, the people who have thumped
the 97% business like to say: the scientists all agree that we’re doomed, and therefore
we have to have the Kyoto protocol? Most scientists are not very good at public policy analysis.
And a lot of them will admit that, by the way, and a lot of them, you know, there are
a lot of them out there. What happens is, the noisiest of them, people like Jim Hansen
at N.A.S.A., who I’ve debated twice and come to the conclusion is a manic-depressive.
You know, I think they … I don’t know. You’ve always had some scientists who’ve wanted in
on the action. That’s not true of climate, that’s been true of a lot of things. But that’s
always a problem in science and policy, and … yeah, we don’t do a very good job of thinking
about all that. So, someone else? Somebody there I can see …
Don Thorson: The point that I find quite interesting, if you listen to T.V., and they give you … oh,
we hit a new record today. The last record was 1935 or some such time. So many records
were set in the ‘30s, and maybe we exceed them by a point or two … by a degree or
two. I don’t know what was warming it up so much in the ‘30s. The other point is, very
short, there’s a very good reason they called Greenland, Greenland: it was warm.
Dr. Hayward: Yeah, no, I mean this is what I call the Groundhog Day aspect of the issue,
right? We go back to some of these arguments we’ve been having for 20 years, now. I mean,
I know one guy, Daniel Botkin, who’s now emeritus professor in environmental science at U.C.
Santa Barbara. He is doing this big … so, we try and find all these things in the past
to try and find out something. He’s going through ships’ logs from the 19th century
up in Hudson Bay. This is back when those British sailors would record, you know, what
tea they had in the morning, right? To try and see ice extent and see if he can match
it up, so we’re always trying these clever things to try and figure it out, but that
only goes back 150, 200 years, right? So here’s how this happens. There were probably
ten articles published today in the science journals on some aspect of climate. It’s the
big field right now. Maybe it’s 25. And you can’t keep up with them all. I’ve tried to
keep up with them the best I can in Nature, and Science, and some of the summaries, but
it’s impossible. That’s why I work on the policy of it. Let’s assume … again, thought
experiment. Let’s assume it’s true. Kyoto? I mean … as the gentleman was saying, it’s
going to be the hottest year. You still haven’t given any solution that’s in the real world
at all. Barbara: Hi. Two different contradictory things.
Both accurate, both within the last year. Both in the northern and southern hemisphere,
the Arctic and Antarctic ice floes are melting. That’s true, so far as I understand. Secondly,
Toledo, Ohio this last year had more snow than any time in its recorded snow measuring
history, which goes back to approximately 1880. So, some things are hotter and some
things are colder. Your comments? Dr. Hayward: That’s why most climate scientists
will say we have, at least in the short run, and even the long run, a chaotic system. The
polar vortex, that’s not that unusual. I think we had a lot of those back in the ‘70s.
We had a lot of really cold winters in the 70s around here. I don’t think we were looking
at it quite in the fine grain way we are now for climate reasons. Yeah. I haven’t looked
at the latest ice data for a year or so. So, the arctic ice cap is about, I’m going to
say … this could be wrong by … about 30% below where it was in the late ‘70s, when
we started the satellite measurement. And that was just steadily down, then you had
a big drop in … 2008, was it? Then a rebound, and … it’s not clear, yet, we haven’t had
enough to … this last year looks like we had a bit of a rebound up. So, we’ll see what
this winter looks like. Might want to see that for four or five years before you see
if it’s actually reversed trend. Facilitator: We have time for one more question.
Dr. Hayward: One more? … Okay. Man 2: The question I want to ask, kind of
following a couple points, is: you know, most climatologists in the mainstream tend to blame
carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions for causing temperature aberrations. What
is, kind of, happening with science’s accepting of the notion that perhaps something else
is to blame? I know … a Harvard researcher, I believe, Willie Soon went up to the arctic
… developed some charts … and he came up with the theory, and several others have
come up with the theory, that total solar irradiation was to blame …
Dr. Hayward: That which? Sorry? Man 2: Total solar irradiation. Basically,
solar activity. Sun activity. And also I know some scientists have attributed it to oceanic
oscillations. And so, you know, given that those theories seem to match up with actual
temperature data far better than carbon dioxide does, is there any growing acceptance in the
scientific community that maybe these things are factors more than human action?
Dr. Hayward: Well … the short answer is, I don’t know because … I mean, I’ve used
the shorthand of the scientific community, but there’s a lot of variation in the scientific
community. There’s a lot of popularity with, yeah, the ocean oscillations, that’s a well-known
phenomenon. There is a theory popular with people like Hansen, Jim Hansen. It sounds
a little odd, but black carbon. That the shrinkage of the Arctic ice cap owes more to changes
in albedo. What that means is: the snow’s actually darker. It doesn’t look darker to
us. But the sun and radiation balances all the rest of that.
It’s darker, therefore it absorbs more heat, and then it melts. Now, where’s that coming
from? Well, you know, our coal emissions, or China mostly, but … not quite sure about
that. But … so, there’s a lot of thought on that, and, you know, that does make a big
difference. If it’s that, that turns out to be fairly easy to control… without even
getting rid of coal, I mean, we’ve gotten rid of our, you know… we’ve got scrubbers
on our coal plants. China’s new coal plants are much lower emissions than the one they’ve
been building in the last 20 years because their air’s so bad. And, so if that’s true,
it might be a declining problem. The solar radiation thing has ten different
variations at least. And I’d be hard pressed to get into great detail about them. And,
so, I just, I let them thrash all that out. So, that’s about the best I can do on that,
because there’s a wide menu on all of those things.
Oh, that’s right, you said we’re done. Facilitator: Very good, yes. Thank you very
much, Dr. Hayward. The hospitality will begin here on the mezzanine
for our guests and students, you know what to do hopefully by now. Thank you.
Dr. Hayward: What are students supposed to do, go away?
Facilitator: Go on the left. Dr. Hayward: Oh, okay.
Facilitator: Very good. Dr. Hayward: Yep.

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100 thoughts on “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Global Warming”

  1. Sue Stefsos says:

    Never mentioned geoeneering, weather modification and the effects that's having on everything.

  2. Ludwig van El says:

    An inconvenient link:

  3. HR HufnStuf says:

    He talked about the clouds, here is just one of the scientific studies.

  4. Nero says:

    Termites produce more CO2 than humans do.

  5. Bruce Allmighty says:

    97% Do believe "IN" Climate change! But Probably only 2% believe it is caused by mankind!!!!

  6. al zollinger says:

    Most probably the underlying CO2 assumption is wrong, hence obstructing true scientific progress. >> see the question below
    The timeframe to look into would be 2,5 million years back, a generally cooler period in earth’s history with four to six really cold intervals, then warmer periods in between. Actually, we are approaching the end of a „between“. Early homo erectus to h. sapiens (haha) survived all previous regional climate changes. whereas h. Neandertal didn’t, because they were a bit thick and wouldn’t move south.  
    Today’s average global temperatures published may well cover up the fact, that again, we are dealing with regional changes instead of a truly global disaster. 

    1. Protect nature from mankind … and overzealous scientists! 
    2. Before insinuating the need to take immediate action, we want an honest answer to this question: Is temperature a function of CO2 or is CO2 a function of temperature i.e. Is T=f(CO2) or CO2=f(T) ?

    My atmospheric model is simple, but absorption physics are sophisticated. Sunlight comes down without attenuation, is absorbed and reradiated by the ground as albedo plus IR radiation. The IR is absorbed and reradiated isotropically by the atmospheric CO2. Once the spherical spreading is integrated out, the propagation physics reduces to two differential equations on altitude, both having sums over all those lines. Ground temperature is set when the power flux of sunlight at the top of the atmosphere less the albedo equals the outgoing IR power flux.

    The result is a 0.25 deg C increase in temperature for the Mauna Loa CO2 increase since 1958. The increase was from 280 to 400 ppmv during that interval. The temperature increases only logarithmically at higher CO2 levels. A doubling of CO2 from 400 to 800 ppmv causes an additional temperature rise of 0.67 deg C, and further doublings produce about the same increase. I am quite confident in the physics of my approach and think the actual higher temperature increases since 1958 are caused by phenomena other than atmospheric CO2. 
    In nature, nothing is permanent or linear and the system is in constant search of equilibrium. 
    CO2 acts as a positive feedback, likewise H2O. However, the solubility of CO2 in water follows Henry’s law which is temperature and pressure dependent. Decreasing insolation at northern latitudes cools the oceans which absorb more CO2 which reduces the reradiation effect as a feedback. The opposite happens when insolation increases. So CO2 is a feedback.
    We also need to always keep in mind that the temperature record is continually being adjusted to account for measurement biases. Whether biases are being removed or added depends on who you talk to.
    It is only since recently that humans have increased CO2 before a temperature rise. This is a different phenomenon. Despite this, I don’t think we will avoid another ice age due in 5,000 years or earlier. Survival of homo sapiens isn’t necessarily nature’s goal.


    .01 carbon is from humans
    .03 carbon is from animals and nature
    We have trees and plantlife that survive on carbon dioxide.
    This is nothing but a HOAX for Agenda21/30 and Globalization and have used the trillions towards New World Order to give full control to the U.N.and countries will be states controlled by Communism rediced to 1/10th of our population.
    Just find Bill Gates TedXtalks calmly telling his audience depopulation will be controlled at 350k a day through vaccinations,mandatory..
    5G should wake up the awakened since it requires ENORMOUS amounts of energy to place millions of attenas at least 300 ft apart EVERYWHERE…
    Come join us at Geoengineering Weatherization chemtrails and 5G group on FB…

  8. Karl Nietzschmann says:

    It is 2019 now and that Einstein doppelganger is looking much more like a 🤡.

  9. jim Parr says:

    Oh dear! STILL NO-ONE actually KNOWS what (if anything) is happening and WHEN?
    I felt Mr. Hayward was able to filibuster and fudge the numbers even better than the scientists he took indefensible pot-shots at. Even while he admitted at least 15 times during this speech that he DID NOT KNOW.

  10. Mark Banford says:

    Things change, don't they?

  11. fibsernum30 says:

    This is impressive; this guy disagrees with all of the top scientific organizations and leading scientists in the country.
    It almost makes one suspect that his position is garbage.

  12. Thomas Jamison says:

    July Was Earth's Hottest Month On Record, Global Temperature Up By 2.16 Degrees

    The monthly global average temperature anomaly was 2.16 degrees (1.2 Celsius) above preindustrial levels, the center reported in its preliminary figures Friday.

  13. Thomas Jamison says:

    Coastal Flooding Is Erasing Billions in Property Value as Sea Level Rises.

  14. ub2bn says:

    When we fail to meet their target goals, they will have no choice but to eliminate us, the polluters… The scoops are coming !!! 😉 … georgia (guide stones) on my mind.

  15. bcfpc1 Cfto says:

    But AOC has it figured out . . . . doesn't she?

  16. One Individual says:

    Carbon tax in Canada? Dumbass mother fuckers. The old days? They would not let the government bullshit so much?

  17. will27ns says:

    To set the right example for us wasteful hoi polloi, Nancy Pelosi is going to sell her Palladian villa, donate the money to climate change research and move into a small apartment.
    A true humanitarian!

  18. David Clearwood says:

    This is a drop of truth in the sea of lies of the Climatistas

  19. David Lawrence says:

    7 billion plus people and who knows how many billion animals all breathing every few seconds and exhaling CO2. Is this a problem???

  20. nuthinfayce says:

    … and you know the clincher in all this… this is the item that should make you think about this whole climate change/Carbon Emission garbage… while governments preach to us about reducing our carbon footprints, they, at the same time, will not allow us to go off grid and generate our own electricity.. this is not about carbon emissions, this is completely and totally about controlling the planet by Globalists.. using the UN as their vehicle.

  21. bruzote says:

    This guy is an Elmer Gantry of the right. His fans don't even realize it. That is not surprising, as incompetence often fails to recognize itself due to its own nature.

  22. bruzote says:

    When the Treasurer of the Donor's Capital Fund speaks about science, you know you'll be getting an accurate and unbiased opinion – cough, cough – unaffected by power and money – cough, cough!

  23. Gustavo Pomar says:

    What governments should really be worrying about is how to recycle the trash we produce. It's contaminating our oceans an rivers at an alarming rate. My proposal is build large conveyors to sort particularly plastics, glasses, and aluminium. These conveyors should be operated by inmates; they have work for the free housing we have to pay.

  24. Richard Barton says:

    Apart from driving us to ruin with their mythical warming, out committee for Climate Change costs us £4,7 million just to run itself. WOW.

  25. Owen Symes says:

    Hillsdale taught me to made a good faith attempt to grapple with the biases of a given source. Why should we take anything Mr. Hayward has to say on climate science seriously? The climate is a legitimately complex issue, studied the world over by many hundreds of experts. We could assert a cabal among these men and women, that they've fudged mountains of data from buoys and satellites and ships, misattributed extreme weather events to theories based on flawed climate models – all in the name of…Democratic control of the world? More grant money? I don't quite understand where the source of the conspiracy might come from. It strikes me as more plausible that Mr. Hayward, a supporter of conservative causes, might be induced to make arguments against climate change not based on any solid scientific evidence one way or the other, but because – on balance – conservatives are showered in money by the fossil fuel industries.

    Consider that oil companies knew about global warming decades ago but chose not to act on that information, instead responding to public outcry by funding a well-orchestrated campaign against the very notion of science itself. Criticism of science can be legitimate (see Foucault) but outright falsehood and vilification are not – and that was the conservative line throughout the 1990s. More recently, oil companies have bent to the scientific consensus somewhat, claiming now that climate change is real, global warming is happening, but that it's good or overblown or there's nothing much we mere humans can do about it anyway. They went from denial to debasement. Why the change in position? They're fighting a delaying action, making as much money as they can in the short term (as all firms must) before circumstances turn too much against them and their profits drop.

    It saddens me that Hillsdale, of all places, would put funding before truth, that they would claw after donations from the Koch brothers (who have given some $368,963 to Hillsdale since 2008) instead of pursue scientific truth with the same vigor with which they pursue philosophical truth. From my experience there the humanities departments were unmatched, but it's clear that the administration is perfectly willing to shackle itself to its conservative masters and sacrifice the sciences upon the altar of greed. I guess that's the price you pay for deciding not to take federal funds. The money must be found somewhere, and there are always strings attached.

    To see what climate scientists are actually saying:
    US Global Change Research Program's "Fourth National Assessment,"
    Vol 1
    Vol 2
    "IPCC Synthesis Report 2015"

    Overview of the history of climate denial and its ties to the fossil fuel industry:
    Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway, "Merchants of Doubt"

    Some global warming history:
    "The Global Warming Reader"

    Exxon's research into climate change:
    Neela Banerjee, Lisa Song, David Hasemyer, "Exxon: The Road not Taken"

    Internal Shell report from 1988 detailing the greenhouse effect:

    Funding of climate denial:
    Robert J. Brulle, "Institutionalizing delay: foundation funding
    and the creation of U.S. climate change
    counter-movement organizations," linked in this article:

  26. MrRasZe says:

    climate alarmists are claiming record heat wave in london of 29 degrees C…but it was 34 degrees C during the big stink in summer of 1858

  27. Bill Franks says:

    Ocean levels in the Philippines rising at 5 times the global average

    Globally, sea levels are going up, but there are big regional differences.

    SHALINI SAXENA – 2/19/2016, 8:00 AM

  28. Sam Lair says:

    Every possible non-fossil fuel energy source needs to be being implemented. It can’t be done over night. If we’d have acted in the 80s when the scientific proof was clearly demonstrated, then we’d have made it. Instead, we suffered a serious trade imbalance and then got sucked into Middle Eastern conflicts because of oil.
    Meanwhile, “artificially induced climate change” is about the blanketing effect that CO2 and other greenhouse gases have on infrared radiation. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else is politics.

    Understanding Climate Change:

  29. Al LePage says:

    Learn more . . .

  30. René Müller says:

    Misanthropic leftist eco-mafia is destroying human Civilization

  31. handy mack says:

    Global warming is real, as we can feel it . But we need more comprehensive studies as to what is really causing it. The direction of study should come from independent scientific research, not from political agendas of the most popular elite of the time. The scientist and the politician cannot be adversaries of each other. There need to be a truce between them, a true communication, for any effective change to happen.

  32. Philip Moran says:

    GW and CC is being promoted by the NWO and OBF along with the EU and UN.
    The UN sustainable development plan calls for 17 Goals and 169 Targets by 2030.
    This will require the end of capitalism, private vehicles, eating animals and burning oil.
    This will never happen.

  33. Tom Thompson says:

    $$$$$$$GORE$$$$$ROMNEY$$$$ SAME SCAMMING CLOWNS!!!!!

  34. oy oy says:

    2018, 2019 50 degres celsius records, france 46,6 so it's hot , sun simulators turned on

  35. Benrex 777 says:

    I live in Switzerland and all glaciers are melting at a rapid pace. So for me it sounds like there is some kind of global warming. Or at least local warming. Does anyone who does not believe in global warming have an explanation for that? Or some good sources?

  36. Ralph Morgan says:

    Unfortunatley the 'pause' didn't last past 2014 when this propaganda was posted. . Love some of the vapid comments to this video – for example the comment by Cliff Bird about the cold UK winter six months ago — shortly followed by a summer of record high temperatures and heat wave conditions in the UK and Europe 😉

  37. Ralph Morgan says:

    Cutting emissions at 25:00 – not sure why he makes such an issue about cutting emissions to the level last seen in 1905-1910, despite population being ~400m vs. 100m. He acts as if energy technology in 2050 will be similar to that which existed in 1905! If that were true, then yes, cutting CO2 emissions to 1/4 the 1910 level per capita would require a massive cut in living standards, BUT, since we now have energy technologies available that emit no or very little CO2, it is perfectly possible to have a larger population and higher living standards and only produce a fraction of per capita CO2. As with most of his assertions, he deliberately overlooks basic facts in order to try to support his argument.

  38. Ralph Morgan says:

    At 31:00 – we may electrify cars 'some day' 😉 I doubt there will be any new cars running on fossil fuels by 2025. Just look at an early adopter of electric vehicles – Norway – Electric cars had reached 10% of total market share (and around 50% of new car sales) by 2018. There is no reason why 100% of new vehicle sales globally can't be electric (or hydrogen) by 2050…

  39. Ralph Morgan says:

    At 42:30 – he makes fun of the fact that if EPA rules meant that US energy CO2 emissions were cut 30%, it would only cut total US CO2 emissions by 10%, and that this would 'only' cut global temperature rises by 0.02 degrees. He deliberately ignores the fact that energy sector emissions reductions won't be done in isolation, so a similar cut in other areas would mean the total US reduction should be around 30%, which would mean a 0.06 degree reduction in global temperature rises. And that if the rest of the world does similar cuts, the impact would be 0.5 – 1.0 degrees less temperature rise… and given the global temperature rises in a 'do nothing' scenario are around 2.5-3.0 degrees (and would have substantial adverse effects), reducing this by 1/4 or 1/2 is a major step in the right direction. He can make fun of the impacts of the EPA changes as much as he likes, but presenting 'facts' in a deliberately misleading way is academically dishonest.

  40. sebastian braum says:

    Hillsdale what? Looks like a place for intellectual dwarves.

  41. Ralph Morgan says:

    At 50:11 Dr Hayward reiterates that his 'pause' argument is based on "satellite temperature measures" as they were showing a 'plateau' in global temperatures, while ground temperature data was showing record hottest years/months (which denialists argue is affected by urbanisation around the ground stations creating local 'hot spots'). Unfortunately for his case, the latest "satellite temperature measures" ( now shows the continued uptrend in temperatures from 1980-2020 is still in place, with just a few years of random deviations in the trend accounting for the perceived 'pause' during 2000-2014. I'm sure Dr Hayward will now be cherry picking other data to support his denialist viewpoint…

  42. bryan boyce says:

    aid rain globe warming now climate change whats next maybe look at the sun

  43. religious liberty says:

    I heard on CNN that climate (warming) change is settled "science".  Well many scientists do not agree and do not suffer from cognitive dissonance.

  44. Gregg Hughes says:

    like all so-called existential threats to mankind‘s well-being, global warming is a kcalculated fraud. It is unproven and unprovable. It is at one with all the other anti-capitalist programs of the past 150 years, beginning and ending with socialism. Whatever the guise, it is crystal clear that collectivism is a grand failure, and the global warmists can argue only that we should throw away or dismantle that whIch has provided mankind with its first opportunity at advancement in 1,000 years. No thanks.


    In addition to the Internet, Al Gore invented invisible rising sea levels.

  46. Jim Lambrick says:

    Porky pig here seems awfully arrogant for someone who almost certainly never took a college level science course.

  47. pokey999991 says:

    Okay, I have,will turn into a Libterd, And I want 5000.00 a month GUARANTEED income from Mr. Government!, I want the Best Health Care around like the Politicians gets, And I want it NOW and I want 100% Free!! Like they get!. I want free rent or a house with 3000 square feet paid for in full! No yearly property taxes!, I want free electric, free internet!free F’ing everything! You name it I WANT it FREE or you are A RACIST!! A homophobe, a Islamaphobe, and every other Phoebe or ism they can come up with! I want everything FREE and if it does not happen you are a RACIST!! You hear me? You F’ing RACIST! Communist, Nazis!! And if I work I Want 100 dollars a hour!! Or you are a RACIST!!lolooollololololollol!!!!! Give ME GIVE ME! or you are a RACIST!!

  48. armstrong germany says:

    We just had the hottest day since last Monday here in Germany. I just felt compelled to throw my Big Mac away !

  49. Joseph Marton says:

    western canada is part of the globe . we have 11 months of snow each year ! where is this global warming ? where are the melting ice caps?? we need global warming. snow mid july snow august, 14C below average temperatures….snow and cold. rain, hail and snow all year.

  50. Michael Stone says:

    Climate change liberals: "OMG the sun is on fire".

  51. pinch mesh says:


  52. Michael Madrigal says:

    Don't we breath out 40k ppm Co2..per breath

  53. JG Alegria says:

    This is crap – skepticism is great when you look stupid for believing but it looks really stupid when doing nothing is dangerous and the biggest incentive to do nothing is the fossil fuel industry who no doubt fund this guy's rhetoric. The global surface temperature of the planet has increased – we are now 1 degree warmer and on the way to 1.5 a lot lot quicker. How could you imagine we would NOT have an impact with exponential population growth and along with that development ie. the poor are busting their guts to live like the wealthy who are the big polluters and CO2 producers of the globe. Add to that rapid deforestation and decline of insects and fauna. There is NO way we are not on the road to self destruct at this point if we don't turn around.

  54. JG Alegria says:

    no one wants to "suppress" energy – they want to use sustainable non-polluting energy sources – you can all still do most things you've always done – it just won't be coal based energy that gets you here. there won't be any personal suffering as opposed to if you do nothing and keep supporting the fossil fuel industry

  55. WOT Arty Noobs says:

    Politicians say that they can solve Climate Change – they cannot – it's natural.
    People lie that Carbon Dioxide is the biggest Green House Gas (GHG), it's not.
    Water (in the gaseous state) is the biggest GHG. Of the GHG in the atmosphere, 96% is water and 4% is CO2.
    Man made (anthropogenic) CO2 is only 4% of that 4% – that's 0.16% of the GHG and that's since man has been around.
    People believe that Humans emits the most CO2 – They don't.
    The Oceans emit much more CO2 than humans and I do not see how politicians can change that!
    Volcanoes also emit vast amounts of CO2 and I haven't heard any politician suggest how he can stop them.
    Al Gore suggested over 20 years ago that there would be no polar ice caps due to Global Warming in a few years. He lied.
    The Polar Ice Caps are still there and still vary in size, increasing in winter and decreasing in summer.
    He also claimed that the Polar Bears would die off. Again, he misled the public.
    There are more Polar Bears than ever and they have adapted to living with humans.
    This planet goes through cycles of warm periods then Ice Ages, then warm periods again. We are just coming out of an Ice Age.
    You must expect the planet to get warmer.
    Warmer oceans means more CO2 is released from the seas.
    Less CO2 is dissolved in hot water than in cold water. So as oceans warm, they release more CO2. The oceans are carbon sinks.
    People tell you CO2 is bad. It's not. Farmers artificially increase CO2 in greenhouses to make plants grow faster.
    The planet is already experiencing increasing farm yields due to naturally higher CO2.
    The highest CO2 we have on record is 2800 parts per million and there was abundant life.
    It is currently only 400 parts per million, so we need more CO2 in the atmosphere to increase plant life.

    Let's stop believing any politician that tells you they can solve Climate Change – you cannot.
    Instead, let's embrace new technology to improve our planet naturally – not force industrialized countries to stop developing.

  56. mel e says:

    The "Tesla" comment on not being practical or affordable is what got the like from me. A realist speaker is refreshing to listen to.

  57. max bootstrap says:

    Stop calling them "environmentalists". They are "predatory totalitarian power mongers". They care NOTHING for the environment.

  58. Okiepita50 T-town says:

    To me this global warming b.s. is like the cure for cancer; if they actually ever do find a cure a lot of scientists and doctors will have to find another project to keep themselves employed, so I remain very skeptical of all of these bureaucratic monsters.

  59. Good Soldier says:

    They say 99.9 % pf all the species which have ever existed are now extinct. Some go as far as to say 99.99% of them are extinct. If this is the fate of life on earth, then global warming or not, we will also go the way of the dodo at some point. There is no binding contract with the earth that we humans have to stick around forever and ever and ever. Hopefully our end is not sudden and calamitous, but slow and gradual.

  60. Dutch Star says:

    At one time 99% of scientists believed the sun went around the flat earth

  61. Joseph Figliuolo says:

    Wow! Here's a man who openly ridicules environmentalists, in a blanket statement. Then knocks scientists for admitting predicting climate is incredibly difficult, and uncertain. Weather forecasting is complex enough. Unlike the Pilton Man, this is not fake science by a lone man. Also, Y2K was a genuine threat, due to uncertainty. Finally, not enough data….

  62. Joseph Figliuolo says:

    The "business as usual/growth is good" mentality denies any human impacts. The conundrum that there is no solution to the nuclear waste problem. Diesel gate opened the eyes of the world in general about the lie the diesel fuel is green. The rising respiratory problems including asthma due to burning substances in our atmosphere is ignored, and the focus is carbon. The plastic in the ocean is a lie also I guess, go to any beach, anywhere in the world and take a walk!

  63. Joseph Figliuolo says:

    A shame that this man makes his argument based on bean counting. Big Oil like big tobacco just know how to delay the inevitable. I do not care about climate change, as much as I care about the impact of corporations such Monsanto/Bayer and the untold others that perpetuate habitat destruction, overfishing/over harvesting and the pollution of our air, food and water.

  64. Joseph Figliuolo says:

    A plus for the promulgation of corruption. Very few corporations have a conscience. Con= with, science=knowledge. Fortunately, this is not the dark ages. Science will prevail, despite any attempts to falsify data, buy off the media or threaten scientists who publish research which does not fit the corporation agenda.

  65. Richard Caldwell says:

    What a doofus! I wonder if he feels any shame for his role in delaying needed action. After all, his denial of the science has been shown to be totally wrong. Seriously, who would be stupid enough to think that his layman's logic trumps science? Oh yeah, Steven F Hayward! We just passed 1C. Add in 0.5C for aerosol cooling that we'll lose once burning stops and that 1.5C guardrail is being breached right now because of Steven F Hayward and his buffoons.

  66. Joe says:

    If you think CO2 levels are high and its caused by humans, please… a simple google search to see how much of our air is CO2.

  67. Anthony Boyne says: Piers Corbyn

  68. nova nova says:

    ARJUN WALIAJULY 3, 2015…/nuclear-chemist-publ…/(Trump wanted to stop deadly geoengineering but was probably threatened – people must learn and SUPPORT HIM FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR OWN LIFE) MUST START RESCUING YOUR KIDS TODAY.


  69. Peggy Churchill says:

    Suspect WW2 caused the spike in the 1930's. My mom was a kid in that era and she said it was much hotter then, and in the 1950's when she had to identify the remains of a relative who died in his car and wasn't found immediately. SHE DESCRIBED IT WITH FORENSIC DETAIL.

  70. spik pootarb says:

    uk switching to full electric- us using gas (i would prefer the duel system in case one fails)

  71. Chuck Kady says:

    The CFR IS BEHIND IT Watch and

  72. Paul Beduhn says:

    I just came here to get a laugh LOL out of the climate change Nazi's in this comment section.
    Sheep or wolves?

  73. mcwolfus 1 says:

    Just look at the hysteria over nuclear war!!! It never happened, nukes are harmless.

  74. Leo Hartman says:

    look at the data, people: e.g.,
    if you don't believe it, show everyone your data.
    denial doesn't actually change measurements.

  75. mothman1967 says:

    lgore "proved" that CO2 causes temperature increase, but he left out the key detail: the CO2 peak occurred many years AFTER THE TEMP RISE. Doesn't that prove the revers; Temperature increase leads to CO2 increase? But always ask "What is the proper global temperature?". That leaves the with no answer…probably call you racist, since that's what liberals have nothing real to say.

  76. k quat says:

    For someone with a PhD in American Studies (from a no-name college), he's quite an expert on climate physics. Maybe he can give a lecture on CFT/ADS correspondence at some point.

  77. JoshexDirad says:

    it means, in the climate scientists climate reduction models, they are counting on there being a lot less people, No electronics, no gas, no fire, and a tax on breathing and farting. but of course such valuable energies and services will be reserved for the people the government deems "really need them" (this means government workers, government buildings and they say; hospitals and emergency services). but none for you.

    it's tantamount to saying a "global reset" to the pre-fire age for the general public (no internet, no computers, no cellphones, no farming, no fire). this also means no public utilities, no cars and no schools, a hunter gatherer society where everyone is eating sushi and pickled/Corned/disinfected foods. You nor any one else will have money, nor tools to build houses or nor time to teach others.

    Meanwhile, the government and political friends will have all the modern technology. with-in a few generations of this you can see how they could make the unwashed masses believe them to be gods. "government man has lightning! government man controls fire!". it's a class divide to the maximum.

  78. Webmaster Caribou says:

    Create a fake catastrophe and a fake solution to tax and obtain power. Pure propaganda

  79. seeker floyd says:


  80. chris owens says:

    since the 70s we have been putting more and more water in sealed containers….it can be anything from simple bottled water to dish soaps sports drinks, soups, closed chillers units, antifreeze…the list is very large and goes on

    water is made up of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom….which makes it a molecule …one molecule is what we call vapor….it is only when a bunch of those molecules start clinging together that it is liquid
    the reason this is important is because H2O doesnt act like you think it does…because as it evaporates and becomes a vapor those molecules separate again

    now then…to the climate part
    every cooling system has a certain amount of coolant that is need to keep it at optimum temperature…earth is no different
    for instance take 2 pots of water…one 1/4 full and one all full…..heat them up at the same temperature…..the one that is 1/4 full heats up faster makes steam (humidity) faster

    same for the earth …since all this water is being put in stored containers …it is not circulated …..less H2O molecules in the air….they cant combine to make liquid that can circulate

    right now there are the same amount of H2O molecules on earth as there were in the beginning, so no, those molecules are not gone…they havent went into space….the reason they are gone is because we put them in sealed containers

    so if we deal with the water shortages ….water in sealed containers……then we can deal with the climate heating up

    or we can just wait till some of the ice is melted….yup

    because H2O as a solid doesnt circulate or evaporate till it is melted….once it is melted a little…the ground water and the heat index temps will be back to normal

    as I said…this is unrefined, I wrote it in a hurry to reply to a USA TODAY video on water disappearing

    I have this idea in my head and cant get it out in a coherent way for most people to understand…yes it goes way out there, but it is something that no one else is addressing , the water levels around the globe have decreased…..look at california, all the reservoirs…..michigan residents have stated that nestle has made their ground water drop in their rivers and streams…..there are documentaries on this

    I wish someone would actually look at this because I'm certain this is a big deal

    but as I said…we can just wait for the polar caps to melt and replenish the H2O molecules that are able to circulate
    remember…H2O is just a molecule until it combines with another H2O molecule…then it becomes a gas, then a mist, then moisture, then water…..ask yourself…how many H2O molecules in a visible water drop…the answer is
    there are 1.67 sextillion water molecules in a water drop…fact

  81. Walter Harwood says:

    Wonder how much fossil fuels are paying / helping this guy out. The only conspiracy here is the fossil fuel industry’s massive investment in convincing the Republicans that global warming is a myth. They have spent millions funding think tanks, “researchers,” public speakers, conservative protest groups, and millions paying off politicians. The fossil fuel companies, (1% elitists, the epitome of the swamp in Washington) have invested so much money into convincing conservatives of this denialism. What is unbelievable to me is that the very people believing a myth perpetuated by incredibly rich companies seeking to manipulate the government believe that climate change is actually a conspiracy being carried out too…. profit off renewable energy? The oil companies are so much larger and richer than those who research the climate and seek to form policies based on the data. People seriously need to get a grip here. The republicans are playing you guys for fools. And one day, you’ll regret it, but I’ll have to suffer to consequences too.

  82. Walter Harwood says:

    If an asteroid was heading for earth, and we had time to divert it, idiots wouldn’t even believe the warnings. They’d say the images of the asteroid are photoshopped, that the models are fake, that the scientists are wrong. Well, gonna look pretty stupid when the asteroid hits. My point is, this guy wouldn’t believe anything that doesn’t come from some oil company. He mentions how his real goal is to prevent any curtailing of fossil fuel profits, by only promoting fossil fuels. Any normal scientists he just degrades and insults. He wouldn’t believe them about the asteroid, because he fundamentally hates how science actually works. He pulls statistics out of context, misrepresents them, and dupes people. He’s paid off in some way, if only indirectly. This is just anti-science, and this attitude is as old as science itself. “The earth can’t possibly be going around the sun! Your equations and proofs are COMPLICATED, and we KNOW the sun goes around the earth.” Science was right then, and it’s right now, and just as then, the powers that be who could be harmed by the truth getting out are fighting to keep the truth suppressed. Wake up. Environmentalists have FAR less money than the worlds oil companies. There is no comparison. Oil companies have spent insane amounts of money paying for speakers like this, and funding denial studies over here, and paying off politicians over here. And republicans have totally bought it. They really believe that a bunch of liberal environmentalists are more powerful than Exxon Mobil and Saudi Arabia, the Koch brothers, etc. That’s just insane. Energy is the worlds biggest business. Climate change threatens their business. It’s not rocket science to see what they’re doing.

  83. Devin Gauthier says:

    I'd be a lot more sympathetic to environmentalists if they weren't so conspicuously against nuclear.

  84. Seek Truth says:

    Until there is a universal marxist tyranny in place this lie will continue to be propagated and “science” will continue to be undermined and politically manipulated.

  85. David Geller says:

    Keep burning those fossil fuels, baby! Especially coal – I love the CO2, arsenic, mercury, radioactivity – it's like a breath of fresh air.

  86. Karl Fulton says:


  87. Tom Calarco says:

    The people on this page are the most ignorant and arrogant dopes online. A comic misadventure that is making up the melting of the polar caps and icebergs, the highest ocean temperatures in millions of years, and the highest recorded temperatures in many places in Europe this summer (2019). You think this extreme weather is an accident?

    This man truly needs to STFU

    From NASA:

    The planet's average surface temperature has risen about 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit (0.9 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere.4 Most of the warming occurred in the past 35 years, with the five warmest years on record taking place since 2010. Not only was 2016 the warmest year on record, but eight of the 12 months that make up the year — from January through September, with the exception of June — were the warmest on record for those respective months. 5

  88. TheDixiechick12 says:

    The waste of money by the UN,Governments and Greenies is astronomical

  89. Dex4dawin says:

    It is probably too late. The youth of today have been brain-washed beyond redemption.
    Hitler Youth is now the Al Gore Youth. They are the pawns and foot-soldiers of the new world order plan of socialism and one world government where the new religion is Climatism. They worship the creation not the creator. They are brain-washed with fear. They fear man made CO2 emissions, they are becoming vegans and demonising meat. Are they going to convert all the carnivores to vegans or are they going to seek the extinction of all herbivores that emit methane? The real globalist agenda here is depopulation but the youth are ignorant of this. The left are creating a whole moron class that will vote socialist in the belief that that are taking action on green issues. politicians on the right have to stand up and denounce this foolish behaviour.

  90. Iondetox says:

    All those scientist got paid good money while mocking tbe helm out of science. How embarrasing. Farmers without a degree knew this was a szlles hoax. Alm scientist should serve looong prison sentences. These people along with a media would attack anybody who did did support the facist takeover and totally ludercrust notion that the earth is in a freefall with regards to temperature. What a boat load of fools.

  91. Aladin Darkness says:

    So… What is the temperature of the Earth since they started keeping track? I mean the temperature in caves and such.
    The government wants us to use less power, well, the first place they should restrict usage is in government offices…

  92. Geoff Millar says:


  93. John McClain says:

    Hi, I've been following "global cooling" since about 1965, as the "modern ice age" was considered approaching, as numerous glaciers were moving south, across northern Europe. The elderly gentleman who asked one of the last questions, mentioned the fact "the 30's recorded the actual height of the warming trend", and this was used sternly by Scientists, to counter political claims, in 67, as the cooling stopped, the new model chosen, and politics ramped up it's efforts to gain control of "climate".
    At that point in time, I was ten, was fully on top of quantum mechanics, in my personal studies, watching science in all its facets, hoping to be a nuclear physicist. I'd been following half a dozen aspects of "solar cycles", not only sun spots, but several other aspects, including flares, mass emissions, and coronal defining of amount of energy change emission, and the notion one of the least "gases" of our atmosphere, could produce a "greenhouse effect", appeared contrary to all science logic.
    We, on earth, transmit energy by radiation, by conduction, and by energetic mass, moving. The earth emits energy from the whole, through its atmosphere, almost exclusively by radiation, since there is no mass of matter to which it could transfer energy by other means. Unless the CO2 actually alters the frequency average of the radiated energy, it can't have an effect on our global temperature, our surface temperature is some 85 degrees F, on average, some four hundred degrees warmer than "space", we radiate every frequency of electromagnetic radiation, light, from infrared, to X-rays, on the basis of thermodynamics, we receive almost all our "climate energy" from the sun, and we expend most of it by radiation, and the main controlling factor is the "energy state differential", basically, the difference in temperature.
    Our planet changes its average temperature constantly, based mostly on incoming energy, if it increases for a time, by ten percent, it will increase our planet's temperature, but it's an enormous volume of mass, so it would take years to substantially increase our temperature, relative to "less than a degree above zero, Kelvin", and yet such an increase only comes with "the life cycle of the star, the Sun", for all the time life has been present, the average temperature of earth has remained relatively stable, changing with "solar aging", and by that, we should expect climate change to continue, both up and down, until it's last down as our sun turns to a "red giant", but life will be gone by then.
    The comment was made about the significance of "Greenland". We landed to B-17's on Greenland, in 43 or 44, one failing, the other partnering, and both landed safely. The crews were rescued, and in the late sixties, it was decided to retrieve those two bombers, for historical sake. They lay beneath fifty feet of hard pack ice, it was necessary to dig a hole all the way down, hollow out a "hanger" to work on the one aircraft, and clean, restore the other, but both were lifted out by crane, and flown back the the U.S.
    That's fifty feet of ice pack in "Greenland", in two decades, when "Greenland" was ice free, as Europe was "discovering the Americas".
    The science of ice measurement is highly controversial, because not all scientists measure all the ice. Many only measure icebergs, "calving" off, while ignoring the other side of the south pole, as it builds up at a higher rate than the ice loss.
    There is also the fact, now on public record, water levels have not risen, but climatologists have altered data from the thirties and before, moving "the goal" because they can't make the oceans actually rise, to meet their predictions. We know almost everything, about a few minor things, but in truth, the main thing science has provided is an endless series of questions, man will spend all his time on earth, answering, one at a time, often incorrectly.
    I just watched a lecture about "the understanding of human consciousness", about an hour and a half, showing we truly don't have even the beginnings of an understanding, nor even a means of postulating an "entry point", "we presume" everything we suggest we know about thought, memory, every aspect of data accumulation, and don't even have the beginning, the starting point to explore the very notion of "thought".
    To begin "science", we, People, had to come to some natural rational standards we could be certain of, and it took thousands of years to arrive at a coherent set, with many competing sets, still vying for attention. All our standards are based on our experience inside the influence of a "sphere of rock and earth and water", with a smidge of experience nearer the "edge of earth's influence", landing on the moon.
    I'm 61, at ten, I knew of dozens of solar aspects of energy projection directly impacting our solar system, not merely earth. Today, I know a substantially larger volume of facts about the same, suggesting far more controlling factor than we understood fifty years ago, and we still "make our best guess" as to how much of a factor humans are, on earth, other than our possession thermonuclear weapons, and our ability to wipe ourselves out.
    Entomologists would tell one, "if we could in a moment, wipe out all earth's ants at once, all vertebrate life would be dead within a year", as ants are the single most important factor we know of, in food propagation, and the health of plant life. We, people, aren't a tenth the mass of ants on earth. If we left, no one would miss us.
    Semper Fidelis,
    John McClain
    Vanceboro, NC

  94. Gnome Add says:

    Anyone notice how the deniers always speak to their crowds like they’re immature teenagers with a short attention span?
    You decide.

  95. Obozo MustGo says:

    The enviro-religious nutcases are not going to let facts get in the way of their faith.

  96. Michael Craig says:

    Climate change is very real..This is dangerous. Pumping toxic pollution into the air has been proved to be toxic long ago. Why must conservatives insist on sucking off the oil companies and destroy the environment? You are insane! I dont like the far left either. How about saving the planet and have some common sense? Middle America wants to save the planet, not destroy it! The evidence is all around us, pay attention to science! Clean energy NOW! You are wrong!

  97. Michael Craig says:

    Fracking is totally dangerous you idiot! They pump very dangerous chemicals into the groundwater, and cause earthquakes! This guy is a dangerous idiot, dont listen to this cocksucker!

  98. V T says:

    Climate change Is Real!! Last night it was cold & chilly, & this morning it was sunny & hot!

  99. Jeffrey Stanford says:

    the sea level data from Fort Dennison in Sydney Harbor Australia for the past 100 years fluctuates over time but it actually shows a lowering of sea levels.

  100. ianto doyle says:

    Drivel delivered with confidence and humour. Oh well. I wonder who is paying him to spout this nonsense. Its all been debunked endlessly.

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