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16:38:17:27>>>Coming up next on “Arizona
17:31:13:00 Horizon,” ASU teams with 17:31:15:27 Starbucks to provide a free
17:31:17:06 online education for Starbucks 17:31:19:03 employees.
17:31:20:03>>>And new rules are being 17:31:21:15 considered for Arizona’s medical
17:31:22:27 marijuana program. 17:31:24:15 Including allowing those with
17:31:27:15 PTSD to use the drug. 17:31:28:24>>>Those stories next on
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17:31:38:03 Thank you. 17:31:40:00>>>Good evening, and welcome
to 17:31:41:06 “Arizona Horizon.”
17:31:41:18 I’m Ted Simons. 17:31:42:24>>>Arizona state University and
17:31:44:15 Starbucks announced a 17:31:45:24 first-of-its-kind program today
17:31:47:21 to provide a free online 17:31:49:15 education opportunity for
17:31:50:18 Starbucks employees. 17:31:51:24 We’ll hear from the head of
17:31:53:09 ASU’s online degree program in a
17:31:55:09 moment, but first we hear from 17:31:57:03 ASU president Michael crow and
17:31:58:27 Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, 17:32:00:06 who announced the plan this
17:32:01:21 morning in New York. 17:32:05:18>>Starbucks is an innovative
17:32:07:21 corporation, interested in the 17:32:08:27 advance of human capital,
17:32:10:06 interested in the success of the 17:32:11:12 United States, interested in you
17:32:13:09 as an individual on the 17:32:15:21 assumption that you as a master
17:32:17:24 learner, you as a person that’s 17:32:20:03 more adaptive, you as a person
17:32:22:06 who has the capability of 17:32:23:15 dreaming, and thinking, and
17:32:24:21 realizing those dreams and 17:32:26:03 advancing on those dreams, will
17:32:27:03 be better for their corporation, 17:32:28:18 better for the community, and
17:32:29:27 better for the country. 17:32:31:21 We as a University say, this is
17:32:35:06 a fantastic opportunity. 17:32:38:03>>We got together, with an
17:32:39:24 extraordinary University in 17:32:40:24 Arizona state, and an
17:32:43:06 extraordinary person in 17:32:44:06 Dr. Michael crow, and we said,
17:32:46:18 can we coauthor an opportunity 17:32:50:06 in which we break the rules,
17:32:52:06 break glass, apply the same 17:32:55:03 level of disruptive innovation
17:32:57:00 we do to our respective 17:32:58:09 institutions and business, and
17:32:59:24 apply that innovation to the 17:33:01:27 fact that we as a company want
17:33:03:27 to do something that is not been 17:33:05:27 done before?
17:33:06:24 And that is, we want to create 17:33:09:06 access to the American dream.
17:33:11:09>>Here now with more on the 17:33:14:06 Starbucks-ASU online program is
17:33:17:09 Phil Regier, dean of ASU online. 17:33:19:27 You must abbusy man today.
17:33:21:18>>I’ve been pretty busy today, 17:33:23:18 that’s for sure.
17:33:24:18>>The Starbucks college 17:33:25:27 achievement plan, what exactly
17:33:27:18 is that? 17:33:29:06>>So the Starbucks college
17:33:30:03 achievement plan is a plan that 17:33:31:27 was announced today by president
17:33:33:24 crow and Howard Schultz in New 17:33:35:03 York, and what it allows is it’s
17:33:37:18 really a degree completion 17:33:39:03 program for Starbucks employees.
17:33:41:06 So it allows Starbucks employees 17:33:44:03 who can transfer 56 hours or
17:33:45:21 more to ASU to complete their 17:33:47:24 final two years at ASU, and end
17:33:51:00 up paying no out of pocket costs 17:33:53:03 for tuition.
17:33:54:24 For Starbucks employees who 17:33:57:06 can’t transfer up to 56 hours,
17:34:00:06 in other words, lower division 17:34:01:12 students, it provides a partial
17:34:04:09 Starbucks tuition scholarship. 17:34:05:21>>The partial scholarship means
17:34:07:03 you could get anything from 17:34:08:09 needs-based financing in a
17:34:10:00 variety of directions? 17:34:11:03>>Exactly.
17:34:11:18 What we’ll do for all of 17:34:12:27 these —
17:34:14:00 There are three criteria to 17:34:15:24 participate in the program.
17:34:16:21 First off you have to be a 17:34:18:00 benefits eligible Starbucks
17:34:19:06 employee. 17:34:20:09 For most Starbucks employees
17:34:22:06 that happens around month four 17:34:23:27 or five.
17:34:26:15 Secondly, you have to be 17:34:27:21 admissible to ASU.
17:34:30:15 That’s a very important 17:34:31:09 criteria.
17:34:32:00 We didn’t want to change any of 17:34:33:06 the things we normally do for
17:34:35:24 these people, so all of the 17:34:38:24 admissions criteria, all of the
17:34:40:18 financial aid criteria, they’re 17:34:42:18 the same ones we’d apply.
17:34:44:03 And thirdly, you can’t have 17:34:45:21 already graduated from a
17:34:47:03 University. 17:34:47:18 If you already have an
17:34:49:03 undergraduate degree right now, 17:34:51:06 you aren’t going to be eligible.
17:34:52:15>>And you have to average 20 17:34:54:06 hours a week?
17:34:55:24>>Exactly. 17:34:56:15 A part-time employee at
17:34:58:00 Starbucks is about 20 hours a 17:34:59:12 week or more.
17:35:00:03>>And these are all company 17:35:01:06 stores.
17:35:02:12>>These are the company stores. 17:35:03:15 So Starbucks has around —
17:35:05:24 If you counted there would be 17:35:07:12 about 10,000 Starbucks in the
17:35:08:21 country. 17:35:09:15 About 7,000 of those are
17:35:11:03 company-owned stores, meaning 17:35:12:24 all of the employees in those
17:35:14:15 stores are Starbucks employees. 17:35:17:03 If there are licensed stores,
17:35:19:21 for example, I think at the 17:35:21:24 airport or inside grocery stores
17:35:23:15 or those sorts of stores, those 17:35:25:12 are licensed by a third party,
17:35:27:15 and those employees are not 17:35:30:24 Starbucks employees, so they
17:35:32:15 won’t be eligible for the 17:35:33:18 program.
17:35:34:03>>Will they in the future be 17:35:35:18 eligible?
17:35:36:15>>I’m sorry you’d have to ask 17:35:37:27 the licensees.
17:35:39:12 That’s a decision for them. 17:35:40:18 It’s a decision between them and
17:35:42:06 Starbucks. 17:35:42:18>>And now these are U.S.
17:35:44:00 employees only? 17:35:45:06>>U.S. employees only.
17:35:46:24 There are about 140,000 17:35:48:09 employees of Starbucks, and that
17:35:52:09 includes TEVA as well as people 17:35:54:18 at the roasting plants, the
17:35:56:00 headquarters, etc. 17:35:57:03 About 140,000 people.
17:35:58:27>>Is there a plan maybe — 17:36:00:06 You can’t do all worldwide.
17:36:01:27 How many people — 17:36:03:12>>I think there are over
17:36:04:12 200,000 employees. 17:36:09:00 The second largest base is in
17:36:10:18 China. 17:36:11:00 At this point let’s say we have
17:36:12:03 enough to swallow with the U.S., 17:36:14:06 but Starbucks really believes
17:36:16:00 there are educational needs for 17:36:17:12 its employees which they term
17:36:19:21 partners throughout the world. 17:36:21:21>>Let’s talk about the degree.
17:36:23:06 40 some-odd undergrad degrees 17:36:25:15 offered?
17:36:26:09>>Correct. 17:36:27:03 It’s the same —
17:36:28:12 One thing Starbucks is very 17:36:29:27 insistent on, they didn’t want
17:36:31:18 to create a Starbucks program at
17:36:33:24 ASU. 17:36:34:18 They wanted these students to
be 17:36:36:00 able to have the exact same
17:36:37:21 educational experience that any 17:36:39:27 student coming to ASU online
17:36:41:24 would have. 17:36:42:21 So right now we offer about 40
17:36:44:21 degrees, they range from 17:36:46:27 nursing, to electrical
17:36:48:03 engineering, to psychology, 17:36:50:09 something in every college.
17:36:52:18 And the students are going to be
17:36:54:03 able to choose any one of those 17:36:55:24 40 degrees to advance their
17:36:57:09 career. 17:36:58:12>>And they must choose online.
17:37:01:06 What if I’m a Starbucks employee 17:37:03:21 and I live in Tempe and I want
17:37:05:00 to go to a couple classes? 17:37:06:24 Gotta be online?
17:37:08:09>>Right now you have to be 17:37:09:15 online.
17:37:10:03 If you think about Starbucks 17:37:11:18 problems, Starbucks problem
17:37:13:24 wasn’t they had employees in 17:37:16:03 Maricopa County who wanted to
go 17:37:18:09 to campus.
17:37:19:09 Their problem is they had 50,000 17:37:21:12 students across the country who
17:37:22:15 wanted a program like this. 17:37:23:21 They had to find an online
17:37:25:12 option. 17:37:26:03>>Are any of these
17:37:27:12 research-driven degrees? 17:37:29:18 I ask this because it sounds
17:37:31:15 like it might — 17:37:32:15 Electrical engineering, for
17:37:33:15 example, how do you do that 17:37:35:06 online and still get the same
17:37:37:09 kind of quality education that 17:37:39:06 hands-on gives you?
17:37:40:24>>I’m glad you asked the 17:37:41:27 question.
17:37:42:06 I think there are a lot of 17:37:43:27 misperceptions about online
17:37:45:15 education. 17:37:46:12 They stem from its origins, it
17:37:48:12 really grew out of 17:37:49:24 correspondence schools, and it
17:37:51:06 was a degraded form of education 17:37:52:27 for a lot of people.
17:37:54:00 But the fact is, the research 17:37:56:24 shows that online is equivalent
17:37:59:12 or better in terms of learning 17:38:01:12 outcomes to what you can get in
17:38:02:27 face-to-face classes. 17:38:04:03 The other thing is, face-to-face
17:38:06:12 had hundreds of years to 17:38:08:21 develop, it’s as good as it’s
17:38:10:03 ever going to get. 17:38:11:09 We’re just scratching the
17:38:12:06 surface of what we can begin to 17:38:14:03 do with technology around online
17:38:15:21 learning. 17:38:16:24 So our objective at ASU is to
17:38:19:09 take every digital — 17:38:23:03 Every digital product, any tool,
17:38:25:06 we’ll partner with anyone hock 17:38:26:21 help us advance student learn
in 17:38:28:27 an online age.
17:38:30:00 We want to take a faculty member 17:38:31:12 and surround that member with
17:38:32:21 technology. 17:38:33:00 So that I know stead of
17:38:34:03 impacting 80 students or 120 17:38:37:06 students a year, they can impact
17:38:39:03 800 or 1200 students a year. 17:38:41:18 And you can do that in almost
17:38:43:21 any discipline there. 17:38:44:18 Are some disciplines we haven’t
17:38:46:12 cracked yet. 17:38:47:24 The hard sciences are
17:38:49:06 notoriously hard. 17:38:49:27 We don’t have a mechanical
17:38:51:21 engineering degree. 17:38:52:06 But you can do electrical
17:38:53:15 engineering. 17:38:53:24 It’s buildings things,
17:38:54:18 circuitry, it’s digital, and we 17:38:59:06 have in our first engineering
17:39:00:15 course we have teams work from 17:39:01:24 across the country online in
17:39:03:27 small teams to build musical 17:39:05:18 instruments.
17:39:06:15>>And I understand, you can 17:39:09:03 toot your own horn if you want,
17:39:10:27 the online education program at 17:39:12:06 ASU seems to be much more
17:39:13:09 advanced than at other 17:39:15:03 universities in the country.
17:39:16:00 First of all, is that true, and 17:39:17:18 secondly, how did it get that
17:39:19:06 way? 17:39:19:21>>We like to think it is.
17:39:21:12 It’s certainly one of the 17:39:22:18 largest programs that is
17:39:24:03 delivered by what I call a 17:39:25:06 discovery or research-based
17:39:27:24 institution in the country. 17:39:30:15 I think it got that way because
17:39:32:12 we had a belief early on that 17:39:35:00 you could deliver to online
17:39:38:06 students — 17:39:38:21 It was an important public —
17:39:41:27 Part of our public — 17:39:43:21 As part of our public stature.
17:39:45:21 We want to affect as many 17:39:47:06 students as possible and advance
17:39:48:18 as many students as possible. 17:39:50:00 So we decided early on we were
17:39:52:03 going to get into the online 17:39:53:24 business and figure out if we
17:39:54:27 could build a degree that was as
17:39:56:09 good or better than what’s 17:39:58:03 delivered face-to-face.
17:39:59:03 What we found is that it is 17:40:00:27 possible to do, and we’re doing
17:40:02:15 it increasingly and we’re adding 17:40:04:18 seven or eight degree as year.
17:40:06:03>>You mentioned how 17:40:06:24 correspondence schools and
17:40:07:21 for-profits were the first along 17:40:09:15 these lines, now here come the
17:40:11:15 nonprofits. 17:40:12:06 Yet this is a good deal for the
17:40:13:27 University in the sense that you 17:40:15:27 don’t have some of those
17:40:17:03 structural costs. 17:40:18:18 Talk about the costs to ASU, the
17:40:22:00 costs to Starbucks. 17:40:23:24 Talk about the dynamics there.
17:40:25:18>>The dynamics are pretty 17:40:27:03 straightforward.
17:40:27:21 First of off, in regard to 17:40:29:00 online education in general, it
17:40:30:21 is the case that you have fixed 17:40:32:27 cost components, but once those
17:40:34:24 are built out, you can deliver 17:40:37:03 them, the variable costs are a
17:40:39:03 bit lower than delivering to the 17:40:41:00 face-to-face student population.
17:40:42:12 But we still require real 17:40:44:12 faculty interaction in those
17:40:46:06 online classes. 17:40:47:18 In terms of the arrangement
17:40:49:09 between Starbucks and ASU, what 17:40:51:06 we decided is that ASU would
17:40:53:06 have a commitment to this 17:40:54:09 program, Starbucks has a
17:40:55:27 commitment to this program, 17:40:57:09 every student is going to be
17:40:58:12 treated differently. 17:41:00:06 There’s one other equipment —
17:41:01:21 Students all have to fill out 17:41:02:24 the federal financial aid form,
17:41:04:15 it’s called a FASA. 17:41:06:24 And every student is going to
17:41:07:24 have to fill that out, and ASU 17:41:09:09 is going to do what it always
17:41:10:24 does with students who fill out 17:41:12:00 a FASA, which is evaluate it,
17:41:14:09 create a financial aid package 17:41:16:00 for that student, it may include
17:41:18:15 Starbucks tuition scholarships, 17:41:19:15 it may include PEL grants, it
17:41:21:27 may include student loans, and 17:41:23:12 it may require the students to
17:41:25:03 pay some out of pocket. 17:41:26:15 The difference is, after 21
17:41:28:09 hours, Starbucks will remit any 17:41:31:21 loan amount, any amount the
17:41:34:00 student had to pay out of pocket 17:41:35:27 or loans the student had to take
17:41:38:03 out for tuition. 17:41:39:06>>As far as the genesis for
17:41:41:00 this idea, I know the mark El 17:41:44:06 fountain indication, the group
17:41:45:12 of folks that get together, it 17:41:46:24 sound like Michael crow and
17:41:48:12 Howard Schultz got together 17:41:49:18 somehow through this.
17:41:51:12 What is that initiative are and 17:41:53:27 was that the genesis?
17:41:55:03>>To tell you the truth I don’t 17:41:56:18 know that much about the Markle
17:41:58:03 foundation, but it is a 17:41:59:12 nonprofit foundation that looks
17:42:02:24 at ways to increase civic 17:42:04:15 engagement.
17:42:06:21 Based in New York, ZOEY Baird is
17:42:09:21 the CEO and I know Howard 17:42:11:24 Schultz and president crow were
17:42:13:03 at a meeting at the Markle 17:42:15:21 foundation last July and I think
17:42:17:03 they started talking. 17:42:18:00 But certainly it wasn’t the case
17:42:20:03 that ASU was the only school 17:42:22:12 that Starbucks looked at.
17:42:24:06 As Howard said this morning when 17:42:25:21 he was discussing it, they
17:42:27:06 looked at a lot of other 17:42:28:18 Universities and just thought
17:42:30:24 there was a lot of separation 17:42:32:12 between ASU and the other
17:42:33:27 universities they looked at. 17:42:35:03>>With that in mind, will there
17:42:37:06 be other firms with similar type 17:42:39:12 deals?
17:42:40:15 First of all, will ASU go into 17:42:42:03 partnership with other firms?
17:42:44:03>>We’ll continue to evaluate 17:42:45:12 other firms, and if we find
17:42:47:18 something where we think it’s 17:42:49:21 consistent with our values, and
17:42:53:00 our brand, and we can move 17:42:54:12 forward and they’re cooperative,
17:42:56:15 we will certainly evaluate that 17:42:57:27 in an ongoing basis.
17:42:59:06 I think it’s important to 17:43:00:15 understand that I think both for
17:43:02:03 president crow and for Howard 17:43:03:12 Schultz, they don’t want this
to 17:43:04:18 be a one-of-a-kind deal.
17:43:07:03 They think there’s an important 17:43:09:00 problem in this country around
17:43:11:06 adult degree completion. 17:43:12:24 We have flat-lined in terms of
17:43:14:27 our adult degree completion 17:43:16:09 attainment rates, at precisely
17:43:18:21 the time the return to a 17:43:20:15 University degree is so much
17:43:21:21 higher than the return to 17:43:23:12 somebody who doesn’t have a
17:43:24:15 University degree. 17:43:25:24 So they think if you want to
17:43:27:15 move that needle, if you want to
17:43:29:09 start increasing the number of 17:43:30:24 adults with degrees, you have
to 17:43:32:21 do much more innovative things
17:43:35:00 and industry needs to step into 17:43:37:27 the vacuum that’s created right
17:43:39:21 now. 17:43:39:27>>And this particular program
17:43:40:27 now, do online classes run the 17:43:43:15 same kind of semester, fall and
17:43:45:15 spring semesters that regular 17:43:47:12 classes do?
17:43:48:12>>Almost all of our classes run 17:43:50:06 into compressed time format
17:43:52:00 class, so they’re 7 1/2 weeks, 17:43:53:21 so they —
17:43:54:09 The reason for that is, it’s 17:43:55:24 easier for an online student who
17:43:57:24 is typically managing work, 17:43:59:09 they’ve got a mortgage, they’ve
17:44:00:15 got kids, to manage two classes 17:44:03:03 at a time over 7 1/2 weeks, than
17:44:06:27 four classes over 15 or 16-week 17:44:09:06 period.
17:44:09:21 By the way, the learning 17:44:10:24 outcomes are better too.
17:44:12:18>>So they start, when fall? 17:44:14:15>>These students will —
17:44:15:24 The first group will be fall B, 17:44:17:21 which is middle of October.
17:44:19:06>>Interesting. 17:44:19:24 I thank you so much for being
17:44:21:00 here. 17:44:21:09 I know you’ve had a very busy
17:44:23:12 day. 17:44:24:03 Congratulations, and good luck.
17:44:26:00>>Thank you very much. 17:45:46:27>>>The Colorado river has
17:45:48:27 carved over 600 miles of canyons 17:45:51:18 in southern Utah and northern
17:45:53:00 Arizona. 17:45:54:18 As sublime as these chasms are,
17:45:57:09 to travelers, they pose a 17:45:58:24 seemingly insurmountable
17:46:00:24 problem. 17:46:01:06 Just how do you get to the other
17:46:03:00 side? 17:46:03:15 A highway marker on U.S. 89A
17:46:09:09 commemorates a successful effort 17:46:11:00 that for nearly 60 years did
17:46:13:12 just that. 17:46:15:00 Lee’s ferry.
17:46:17:12 Mormon pioneer john D. Lee came 17:46:19:21 here in 1871.
17:46:21:12 He established a ferry service 17:46:22:24 across the Colorado river at the
17:46:25:06 only natural point for 600 17:46:27:15 miles.
17:46:29:09 Lee, seen here seated on his 17:46:31:18 coffin, was executed in 1877 for
17:46:34:27 his role in the mountain meadows 17:46:37:24 massacre, when 120 immigrants
17:46:40:21 heading to California were 17:46:41:27 murdered in Utah.
17:46:43:00 The ferry operated for 52 more 17:46:45:21 years, transporting thousands
of 17:46:47:15 hikers, horses, wagons, and even
17:46:50:09 small automobiles across the 17:46:51:18 river.
17:46:53:06 Only the railroad and finally in
17:46:55:09 1929, the Navajo bridge, made 17:46:58:03 Lee’s ferry obsolete.
17:47:00:15 Today, the original Navajo 17:47:03:15 bridge is reserved for
17:47:04:18 pedestrians, while the new 17:47:05:27 Navajo bridge built beside it
in 17:47:08:21 1995 caters to cars and trucks.
17:47:11:15 While the ferry itself is long 17:47:13:06 gone, the name remains.
17:47:15:09 Lee’s ferry is now the terminus 17:47:17:03 for thousands of awe-struck
17:47:19:24 sightseers rafting on the mighty 17:47:21:18 Colorado river.
17:47:25:00>>>Several changes are being 17:47:25:27 considered for Arizona’s medical
17:47:27:09 marijuana program, including the 17:47:28:15 possibility of allowing
17:47:29:24 post-traumatic stress disorder 17:47:32:12 to be included as a qualifying
17:47:34:00 condition. 17:47:34:12 Arizona department of health
17:47:35:06 services director Will Humble 17:47:36:15 joins us to discuss the
17:47:37:21 potential changes. 17:47:39:00 Good to see you again.
17:47:40:09>>Good evening. 17:47:40:21 Thanks.
17:47:41:12>>Why is it medical marijuana 17:47:42:21 approved for PTSD now?
17:47:44:24 Why isn’t it? 17:47:46:00>>When the voters approved the
17:47:47:03 law back in November of 2010, 17:47:48:18 they approved a preset list of
17:47:51:06 debilitating medical conditions 17:47:52:21 that qualify people.
17:47:53:21 But inside the language of the 17:47:55:00 initiative was a provision that
17:47:58:06 said and, by the way, folks can 17:48:00:09 petition the department of
17:48:01:12 health services to add new 17:48:03:03 conditions over time.
17:48:04:15 So we built regulations around 17:48:06:18 the process by which people
17:48:08:00 could apply or basically 17:48:10:09 petition us to add new medical
17:48:12:03 conditions. 17:48:12:15 So PTSD wasn’t on the original
17:48:14:09 list, but over the last however 17:48:17:15 long, three years, we’ve gotten
17:48:19:15 several petitions to add PTSD, 17:48:22:03 and this is the most recent
17:48:24:15 petition that’s come through. 17:48:25:24>>I know the lack of evidence
17:48:27:09 or the lack of research that it 17:48:28:24 really does help these folks is
17:48:30:15 a factor as far as you’re 17:48:32:00 concerned.
17:48:32:15 Correct? 17:48:33:00>>Right.
17:48:33:12 So we received a petition back 17:48:35:15 in October of 2013 to add PTSD
17:48:38:00 to the list. 17:48:39:03 We looked at the evidence, and
I 17:48:41:00 denied that petition back in
17:48:42:21 January of 2014. 17:48:44:15 There was a group of folks
17:48:45:24 called the cannabis nurses 17:48:47:00 association, who appealed my
17:48:51:03 decision, it’s called an 17:48:52:24 appealable agency action.
17:48:54:12 So they went to the office of 17:48:55:27 administrative hearings and had
17:48:57:27 an administrative hearing about 17:48:59:03 that decision to not add PTSD
to 17:49:01:24 the list.
17:49:02:27 That judge issued his 17:49:04:15 recommendation about a week or
17:49:06:09 so ago saying that we — 17:49:08:18 That I inappropriately denied
17:49:10:27 that petition because I didn’t 17:49:12:18 consider some of the anecdotal
17:49:15:03 evidence that was presented 17:49:16:21 during the petition, and during
17:49:18:15 the hearing. 17:49:19:12>>So that means now you
17:49:20:27 reconsider? 17:49:22:09>>Right.
17:49:22:21 So it means that I have until 17:49:24:06 July 9th to reconsider that
17:49:25:27 decision from January, I have —
17:49:28:27 I could take the judge’s 17:49:30:03 recommendation, I could not take
17:49:31:21 it, or I could modify that 17:49:33:18 recommendation.
17:49:34:09 I haven’t decided what I’m going 17:49:36:03 to do yet.
17:49:37:21 I’m still looking at the 17:49:38:27 evidence.
17:49:39:12 There’s a new article that came 17:49:40:24 out in the journal just a couple
17:49:42:18 days ago about research in New 17:49:44:03 Mexico, so I’m going to look at
17:49:46:12 that. 17:49:46:18 But again, I have until July
17:49:48:15 9th, and I think I’m going to 17:49:49:27 use all that time, because I
17:49:51:06 want to make sure I get this 17:49:52:15 right.
17:49:53:00>>The initial decision, your 17:49:54:03 initial decision to refuse to
17:49:55:18 include that, what was that 17:49:56:27 based on?
17:49:57:12 Why did you say no? 17:49:59:03>>There’s a lack of published
17:50:00:21 evidence in the medical 17:50:02:00 literature that it’s helpful for
17:50:04:18 PTSD. 17:50:05:12 Specifically as treatment.
17:50:06:24 There is more evidence, there’s 17:50:09:00 some evidence I should say that
17:50:10:24 it is helpful for some people, 17:50:12:15 for —
17:50:13:27 For temporary relief, it’s 17:50:15:15 called palliative care.
17:50:17:00 But temporary relief of some of 17:50:18:21 the symptoms for PTSD.
17:50:20:12 That’s what the petitioners were 17:50:21:24 arguing, that’s what the appeal
17:50:24:03 was based upon. 17:50:25:09 Not so much treatment, but
17:50:26:15 rather does it help at least 17:50:29:27 temporarily to alleviate some
of 17:50:32:09 the symptoms of PTSD.
17:50:34:18 So it’s really sort of a nuanced 17:50:37:24 distinction, but it’s important.
17:50:39:12>>Does that mean you reconsider 17:50:41:03 like depression, and migraines,
17:50:43:27 aspects of PTSD? 17:50:44:27 How far does this go?
17:50:46:15>>Well, the appeal was just for 17:50:48:03 the decision on PTSD.
17:50:49:15 Because as you know I’ve turned 17:50:51:18 down —
17:50:52:06 I’ve denied petitions for 17:50:54:09 depression, skin cancer, a host
17:50:56:27 of other things I’ve turned down 17:50:58:27 petitions for.
17:51:00:03 This is the only one where we’ve 17:51:01:12 had an appeal to the office of
17:51:03:06 administrative hearings, and so 17:51:05:03 this is the first time a judge
17:51:06:27 has recommended that we 17:51:08:12 reconsider and change that
17:51:10:06 decision. 17:51:10:24>>I guess my question would be,
17:51:12:21 if you do reconsider and you 17:51:13:24 look at new evidence, whatever
17:51:15:00 that evidence may be, does 17:51:15:27 something like depression pop
up 17:51:18:15 as a possibility —
17:51:19:15 For get the petition, for you to
17:51:21:15 say I’m starting to see some 17:51:23:00 things here?
17:51:23:27>>One of the things that — 17:51:25:00 Remember, go back to the voter
17:51:26:09 approved law, there was a line 17:51:27:24 that said the department shall
17:51:29:03 consider over time new petitions 17:51:30:18 to add-to-debilitating medical
17:51:33:00 conditions. 17:51:33:09 So this is part of that process.
17:51:34:24 And that cycle will come up 17:51:36:18 again, in fact every six months
17:51:38:06 we accept new petitions. 17:51:40:06 So any time an agency director
17:51:42:27 whether it’s me or our future 17:51:44:15 director would deny a petition,
17:51:47:12 folks have an opportunity to 17:51:48:12 appeal as soon as the new
17:51:51:00 evidence comes in. 17:51:51:27 So it’s an Evergreen type of
17:51:53:12 model. 17:51:54:00 There’s one nuance, however,
17:51:55:24 which is, directors can’t take 17:51:58:03 things off the list.
17:51:59:27 Remember, so there was a 17:52:01:00 voter-approved list, those
17:52:02:21 voter-approved conditions that 17:52:04:06 people voted on, they’re on the
17:52:05:24 list. 17:52:06:09 If I were to add PTSD to the
17:52:08:18 list, there’s no way for me or a
17:52:10:24 future director to pull it off 17:52:12:09 the list.
17:52:13:00 In other words, it’s a one-way 17:52:14:12 street.
17:52:14:21>>Even if the research came 17:52:15:27 back walloping showing this is
17:52:17:21 terrible, you can’t do that? 17:52:19:21>>Not —
17:52:20:27 A petition to add, not to 17:52:22:27 delete.
17:52:23:21>>OK. 17:52:24:09 Interesting.
17:52:25:09 All right. 17:52:25:18 New regulations on snacks and
17:52:28:09 drinks and Edibles, and what are 17:52:30:06 we talking about here?
17:52:31:12>>The Edible portion of the 17:52:32:15 medical marijuana law has sort
17:52:34:12 of evolved over time. 17:52:36:03 There were some questions about
17:52:38:00 the legality of Edibles, 17:52:41:00 brownies, for example, lemon
17:52:42:18 bars, salsa, I’ve even seen. 17:52:45:24 So there’s some questions that
17:52:47:21 arose in 2012 and 2013 about the 17:52:50:21 processes that dispensaries
17:52:52:21 could use to develop those 17:52:54:15 Edible products that involve
17:52:56:09 resins and extracts. 17:52:58:24 There’s a lot of detail to it,
17:53:00:09 but there’s criminal code, title 17:53:02:21 13 marijuana, and then there’s
17:53:03:27 title 36 Arizona medical 17:53:05:12 marijuana.
17:53:06:09 The there was a conflict between 17:53:08:15 those two statutes.
17:53:09:27 It worked its way through the 17:53:11:12 courts, and the courts about six
17:53:13:06 months ago said, dispensaries 17:53:16:18 can make edibles.
17:53:17:27 So that cleared up the question 17:53:19:06 around, you know, are lemon
17:53:21:27 bars, brownies and the like OK 17:53:23:27 for dispensaries to make and for
17:53:25:18 people to buy? 17:53:26:09 So now what we’re going through
17:53:28:09 in our rule making process is to
17:53:31:06 try to better — 17:53:34:00 Try to find ways to better
17:53:36:12 inform customers at 17:53:38:09 dispensaries, patients at
17:53:39:12 dispensaries about the strength 17:53:41:00 of that marijuana.
17:53:42:09 So let’s say you have a 17:53:44:24 debilitating medical condition
17:53:46:03 and you smoke marijuana for your 17:53:47:18 medical condition.
17:53:48:15 You get an immediate feedback 17:53:50:12 loop, because you smoke the
17:53:51:24 marijuana, you feel the effects 17:53:53:00 immediately, it’s easy to
17:53:54:09 self-regulate. 17:53:55:09 That’s more difficult with
17:53:56:15 something like a brownie or 17:53:58:03 other kind of Edible, because
17:53:59:15 you don’t really know how much 17:54:01:06 you’re eating, you might eat too
17:54:03:03 much, and it takes a long time 17:54:05:09 to get into your bloodstream,
so 17:54:07:00 it’s easy to overmedicate.
17:54:09:18 So I’m going to be working with 17:54:11:03 some of the stakeholders over
17:54:12:12 the coming weeks to try to 17:54:13:27 identify ways to better label
17:54:15:18 the Edibles, so that we’re in a
17:54:18:06 better position to keep people 17:54:20:03 from overmedicating when it
17:54:22:03 comes to stuff like lemon bars 17:54:23:18 and that.
17:54:24:12>>And I read somewhere that the 17:54:25:21 secret shoppers might be
17:54:27:06 included in here? 17:54:28:12>>Well —
17:54:29:00>>make sure everyone’s Is are 17:54:32:24 crossed and Ts are dotted?
17:54:34:09>>That’s something I talked to 17:54:35:18 Howie Fisher about.
17:54:38:06 It’s something we’re exploring, 17:54:39:12 but I don’t think I have the
17:54:40:24 statutory authority to send 17:54:43:06 somebody in.
17:54:43:27>>If someone wanders in 17:54:45:18 there —
17:54:46:09 OK. 17:54:46:18 Before we let you go, I know
17:54:48:06 you’re trying or there is an 17:54:49:15 attempt to lower the cost for
17:54:51:12 some — 17:54:52:12 What’s that about?
17:54:53:12>>One of the issues we have 17:54:54:09 with the program is we have too
17:54:55:24 much money. 17:54:56:15 So we have $9 million in the
17:54:58:03 medical marijuana fund, all of 17:54:59:18 it is from the sale of cards and
17:55:01:15 for the fees we charge for 17:55:03:06 dispensaries.
17:55:04:21 We’re exploring ways to bring 17:55:06:03 our revenue closer in line with
17:55:08:09 what our expenses are, so we’re 17:55:11:03 exploring lowering the cost of
17:55:12:15 the cards to certain subgroups 17:55:14:06 of people.
17:55:14:27 Seniors, for example, veterans, 17:55:17:09 people on SSi or SSDi government
17:55:20:06 assistance programs and the 17:55:21:09 like.
17:55:21:18 We’ve already got discounted 17:55:22:24 cards for people that are on
17:55:24:06 food stamps. 17:55:25:03 So we’re —
17:55:26:09 So our draft regulations were 17:55:28:27 proposing to lower the cost of
17:55:30:15 those cards, but keeping it for 17:55:32:21 everybody else at $150 a year.
17:55:35:06>>So the program seems to be 17:55:36:15 strong as it stand.
17:55:38:06 Correct? 17:55:38:21>>I think we’re doing as good
a 17:55:40:12 job as we could have done given
17:55:42:03 the voter approved language that 17:55:43:21 we have.
17:55:44:24 Our staff is professional that 17:55:46:15 we’ve recruited, I think we’re
17:55:48:03 making good decisions. 17:55:49:15 Financially we’re doing very
17:55:51:00 well. 17:55:51:21 We have too much money, and we
17:55:53:06 need to bring those — 17:55:54:12 The revenue a little bit down
17:55:56:00 closer to what our expenses 17:55:57:15 really are.
17:55:58:06>>Interesting. 17:55:58:24 All right.
17:55:59:06 Good to have you here. 17:56:00:03 We’ll look forward to that July
17:56:01:18 decision. 17:56:02:03 Thanks for joining us.
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