The Sneaky Plan to Subvert the Electoral College for the Next Election


The Sneaky Plan to Subvert the Electoral College for the Next Election

The Electoral College. America’s unique way of picking her President. For it or against it, you might want to know there’s a plan to use the Electoral College to subvert the Electoral College. It’s a sneaky plan and to understan(d), remember that: while it feels like citizens pick the president in one big election, they don’t. The 50 states pick the president. Oh and, District of Columbia. But not you, Puerto Rico — come back when you’re a state. How the states come together and how they vote is what the Electoral College is. Each state gets votes proportional to her population (plus two) and is free to cast these votes however she wants. Most look at how their citizens voted and give all their Electoral College votes to the state-wide winner. But they don’t have to. A couple states cast their votes proportional-ish to their citizens’ preferences. But states are free to vote however. Including against the preferences of their citizens. Let’s make a note of that. But back to this plus two, which is why some citizens *really* don’t like the Electoral College. The plus two means: the states less populous produce preponderate presidential picking power per person. At the extremes, some states get one vote per low hundred thousand people and some states one vote per high hundred thousand. This is how the Electoral College sometimes picks a president that nationwide most citizens didn’t. Because roughly 80% of the state votes are given by population and 20% aren’t. This is on purpose. Dividing power between the levels of citizen, state, and federal is (and was) a central point of the Constitution. It’s a Compromistitution. So if you went back in time to when the states were about to finalize the deal, yelling: (as Future Grey)
Don’t sign that document. I’m from the future. You’re creating an Electoral College where votes for president are distributed proportionally-ish not *perfectly proportionally*. (as present-day narrator Grey)
The reply would be: (as New York girl)
Yes, that’s one of the many compromises we agreed upon. (as Future Grey)
But because of that sometimes a president will be elected with a minority of the popular vote! (as New York girl)
Yes. (as Future Grey)
But the people… (as Constitutional Convention)
The people? You can’t trust the people. Do you think this Compromistitution is for a direct democracy lawl? We’re building a republic here. (as Future Grey)
Yes, I know but would you just look at this spreadsheet of improportion–? (as New Hampshire girl)
–How many states are there in the future? (as Future Grey)
50… maybe 51 depending on how… (as New York girl)
–Wow! What a tremendous success! Go Compromistitution! (as Future Grey)
No, can we focus– (as New York girl)
Do you even own land? (as Future Grey)
No… (as New York girl)
Then why would we listen to you? Goodbye. (as present-day narrator Grey)
Thus the Electoral College is doing what it was designed to do (totally on purpose) and the Supreme Court has reaffirmed this. So if you don’t like the Electoral College, then tough noogies for you. And if you do, then nothing to worry about. The Electoral College, in a fortress of axiomatic constitutionality, has survived for a thousand generations of this republic. The only way to break through the front gate would be with a constitutional amendment. But getting enough states to push on the same side of that gromulent tool (while not theoretically impossible) is legislatively improbable. This is where the sneaky plan comes in. (Did you forget about that? Don’t worry, I got carried away.) There is a back door that, if breached, can turn the constitutional fortress protecting the Electoral College into a prison. The sneaky plan is named: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. It’s a terrible name. Probably on purpose to hide sneakiness behind boringness as bureaucratic paperwork camouflage. But I’m calling it NaPoVoInterCo. Which is sort-of-not-really better, but whatever. Here are the sneaky deets. 1. Assume destroying the constitutional protections of the Electoral College is impossible. Point 2 is the note from before that, States can cast their Electoral College votes however they want. These are just facts. But if a state signs on the dotted line, Point 3 is the big deal: NaPoVoInterCo members agree to cast their Electoral College votes for the candidate who gets the most votes from citizens nationwide. This is the “National Popular Vote” in NaPoVoInterCo. The idea behind 2 plus 3 is to make it impossible to have a president most of the citizens didn’t vote for. A state would look not only at the result in her borders, but the results nationwide, and vote that way. Which is all fine and dandy if the state citizens voted with the majority anyway. But if they didn’t, well, you can see a flaw with the plan. Any singular state assaulting the Electoral College on her own, carrying votes against her own citizens, it’s political suicide from without and within. So the plan, had it only three points, is something no state would agree to, requiring one last sneak. Point 4. The plan does not go into effect until enough states, with enough votes to control the Electoral College as a block, join. So, as states sign up, the total number of Electoral College votes they control goes up. But nothing happens. Elections pass and states still vote the traditional way, while recruiting allies to the cause. (as Electoral College)
What are you guys up to over there? (as NaPoVoInterCo girls)
Oh us? Nothing. Just chilling. Just hanging out. (as present-day narrator Grey)
But once a controlling majority of Electoral College votes is reached, Point 4 is satisfied and — when it’s time for the next election — CHARGE! All together, all at once, in through the back, the Electoral College is captured. The fortress is now a prison. From this moment on, the NaPoVoInterCo block promises the candidate who gets the most citizen votes nationwide gets their controlling majority and becomes the president. Without amending the Constitution, the Electoral College has become totally pointless by using its protection of state’s rights to vote however they want, into the vital tool to functionally remove state votes entirely, making the presidential election into one not of states, but of citizens. And there’s no problem with this plan at all. Except, of course the instant this popular coup occurred, states outside the compact will storm the Supreme Court, who will then be forced to deal with everyone yelling all at once about the future of how the president will be elected. Which will be amazing to watch, no matter which side the gavel of constitutional interpretation comes down upon. That’s the plan. It’s been around for a while
That’s the plan. It’s been around for a while and has enough confirmed signatures to be more than half way to the trigger point. And in theory, enough states have laws currently pending in their legislatures, that if passed, would put NaPoVoInterCo into action for the next election. Though, of course, it’s easier to agree to things while they’re far away and uncertain to happen and the reality of voting against your citizens merely theoretical. So it may be much more difficult to get the final triggering two percent than the promised first forty nine. But the Electoral College, for it or against it, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is the sneaky plan to use it to subvert it. [jaunty swing music continues]

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100 thoughts on “The Sneaky Plan to Subvert the Electoral College for the Next Election”

  1. Bulwark AC says:

    I wish all states split by percentage

  2. Bulwark AC says:

    4 worst words in the English language. For the greater good.

  3. Fundamentalist American. says:

    Oh sounds fun. I for one can’t wait until Chicago, los Angela’s and New York get to elect our president. Especially when they start to dictate how the rest of the country live. That won’t end in Balkanization. Nope… not at all….

  4. Hello Good says:

    This means small states will never see I repeat never see a presidential candidate campaigning .. only California new york can select a president for the whole country .. awesome logic

  5. treehugger0241 says:

    5:30 Anyone else notice that Wyoming seems detached from her dress on the far left?

  6. Sci Dog says:

    The Electoral College exists because you get your opinions from Facebook and Twitter. Further, you think you possess facts. You do not. I do not. None of us do. But you are too stupid

  7. Karen Wang says:

    When did rian Johnson become a lawmaker?

  8. Jorge Castillo says:

    Rbg is almost out for the count. Meaning the Supreme Court, if trump wins re-election, will have another conservative supreme justice and the Backdoor will get swatted down so fast it’ll just be a footnote.

  9. Honey Badger says:

    With the electoral college if a state joins the union they can continue to run their own election.

  10. David Vargas says:

    I love how at 5:27 New York is the only one holding a bat!

  11. D3RP K1NG says:

    @CGP Grey you sound like you want another civial war for my country at 5:30

  12. buddy lee says:

    statistically insignificant act becomes more insignificant

  13. Wtwarrior says:

    Democracia doesnt work

  14. fisharmor says:

    The entire states rights argument has been meaningless since the passage of the Seventeenth Amendment anyway.

  15. phennec says:

    Electoral College – an antiquated system that needs to go. Let the people's vote count, not the corrupt politicians.

  16. JustusGregorius says:

    "A 1000 generations" lol. What a tool.

  17. Manek Iridius says:

    Sounds like a timer on a civil war to me.

  18. bsnxenogear says:

    The initiative is very much democratic which raises some problems since its their decision on when to trigger this thing. It's a sort of 'I win button' in case the horse you bet on suddenly loses via electoral college. No sane democrat is going to trigger this thing if a person sitting on the top is also a democrat. That's what didn't get put across. That this benefits one side more than the other.

  19. Eli Egbert says:

    If something attempts to subvert the constitution, isn't it, by definition, unconstitutional?!

  20. Taruden Taruhito says:

    Need to spread the word that we live in a REPUBLIC so less people are willfully ignorant of this fact

  21. J Kyle says:

    Step your land game up, bro.

  22. judah macneely says:

    I think it’s important to realize that the idea of the electoral college was to provide support for smaller rural states who contributed largely to the economy and had to compete with the far more densely popular urban states. However, now farming and agricultural jobs only make up around 2% of jobs as opposed to the original 50%, and most of these states have urbanized as well. If we want a legitimate democracy we need votes by the people to matter. Every vote counts

  23. Dog Speak says:

    Special guest appearances by Mr. Garrison.

  24. cypherpunk says:

    This plan is entirely predicated on small states being willing to give up their own representative power – why would they ever want to surrender their own disproportionate representation?

  25. ZakAshChan says:

    1,000 generations? Your mathematics is off.

  26. Lorgar64 says:

    If you're wondering why the U.S. desperately needs an electoral college, look at California. Debt, poverty, crap in the streets, the state is a master at what not to do. The electoral college means their voting power is limited. Just because your state is large doesn't mean it gets to dictate what others do.

  27. DaveyTheDJ says:

    I say get rid of the Electoral College and go based upon the popular vote by passing the states! However if you want to keep the Electoral College the Electoral College must match the popular vote if not we go back and vote again until it does keep doing it until it does then the government might decide to get rid of the Electoral College!!!

  28. maa-iin-gun B says:

    Where do I sign?

  29. Yoga tonga says:

    The EC is so dumb.

  30. l l says:

    What a horrifying idea

  31. Z Tuber says:

    In other words : if a republican wins the state, a leftist in the electoral college can pick the democrat instead.

  32. BLOCK47 says:

    This video should be called “How to start a civil war.”

  33. Nouche says:

    Please someone tell me quickly… could this be argued as “news”?

  34. Christopher Briney says:

    One thing else to consider…the people most agitating for this are Democrats in reliably blue states. There is the possibility that the compact would backfire. Take CA (please), for instance. There's probably no question that, no matter who the Dem candidate is, CA will vote for that candidate overwhelmingly. 55 electoral votes, under the system as is, would go to the Dem candidate. But what if the election was won by a Republican on the popular vote, as was the case in 2004? Do you REALLY THINK that the residents of CA learned that their 55 electoral votes would go to a candidate that the majority of people in that state did not vote for would fly? You think they would shrug their shoulders and say, "Oh well, we'll get 'em next time." If the unrest in CA over Trump's election is anything to go by, I GUARANTEE that the compact would dissolve before that presidential candidate took office, or the very next CA election would be a blood bath in removing state congresspersons who refused to take up abolishing the compact. This system can only backfire on its advocates. I do agree, however, that should they succeed, it will be entertaining to watch the aftermath.

  35. John O'Neill says:

    There would be an uprising if they tried that. CPGrey doesn't know Americans well. We tend to take up arms when the Constitution is violated.

  36. Killin With Ki11Roy says:

    Wow I guess that's why the founding fathers weren't women, you know because they could run a country.

  37. Timothy White says:

    I feel that there needs to be just a little bit less of a middleman so that the votes are better represented

  38. Timothy White says:

    The electoral college is actually keeping Russia and China from directly hijacking the votes

  39. Robofool Studios says:

    Civil Fuvking War, you absolute asshilic nimrods !

  40. Inebriatd says:

    The sad part about this is that you can give Democrats the cheats to win yet they'll still trip over themselves & fail miserably.
    EVERY chance they had to overturn things in their favor resulted in exposing themselves or eating each other.
    Democrats are the Team Rocket Jesse & James of politics.

  41. Jimmy Day says:

    Easier to just cheat a win in slim margin swing states, that's the plan for 2020

  42. Mechazoid5116 says:

    Hm maybe lets not remove the one thing making it so only 3 states control everything? Instead make every state worth 1 point in the EC. Popular vote doesnt matter when its only a tiny bit of the actual nation in terms of culture and life style.

  43. Jilk says:

    I like how Grey provides both sides of the argument here.

    You can hypothetically have a President say “Fuck this state in particular and everyone who lives there,” lose in that state in a landslide, win the nationwide popular vote, and have the state be forced into voting for a president that has a grudge against it.

  44. Jarrod says:

    What's the point? All you are voting for is social policies. Anything important that the government does happens behind very boring sounding bills that get passed through at midnight by lame ducks. Somebody needs to tell me where they got the right to tell me what to do in the first place…

  45. Joseph Serra says:

    I love how Rhode Island is peering through a window during the Constitutional Convention.

  46. Kinglink Reviews says:

    "Sometimes a president will be elected with a minority of the popular vote!" "Well obviously because we'll have multiple candidates running each with solid positions who compete against each other." "Oh….. ummm… about that."

    That being said I enjoy the fact that you start this by explaining the point of the Electoral College without mindlessly parroting the same BS people use to complain about it.

    Also lovely to see the exactly the problem with this plan, can't wait til some state betrays this.

  47. Zach D. says:

    Step 1 to have tyranny of the masses, nearly complete. I wonder what step 2 is

  48. Austin Felice says:

    The Electoral College prevents the uneducated mobs from destroying everything.

  49. ColtonSuper Game says:

    This sounds like a great way to start a civil war. If history has taught us anything, people don't like change, so this is a terrible idea. Plus direct democracy is bad, it's how you get socialism to rise up in a country, and we all know what happens to socialist countries.

  50. TheHumanFlag says:

    Colorado debating on signing the petition is a good example of how we have changed from red state to battleground and now that we’ve moved over to blue we want to join the popular vote. Idk what this means or how this answers any questions but it’s interesting.

  51. Pasan Manawadu says:

    Very sneaky indeed

  52. Sam King says:

    I would be hilarious to see this plan backfire on the Democrats, spectacularly, in the coming decades, especially with declining liberal populations, as lefties are producing less and less children. Hope I live to see the day when this happens.

  53. Ian Stradian says:

    The vast number of veterans who would stand up and oppose this subversion of the constitution might make the political figures who might try this, stop and rethink their political future, and the future of their children.

  54. Cinni Minni says:

    The electorial college is so every STATE has a say in the elections vs just the leftest blue cities riddled with election fraud!

  55. Clar Wikk says:

    The EC is a leftover from the Holy Roman Empire. Let it die.

  56. The Bird of Hermes says:

    It's outdated and needs to be removed. Period.

  57. valcarni1 says:

    This is quite silly and undemocratic to the states and gives the federal a lot more power. Just do an amendment to make it popular vote if anything.

  58. MattDTB1 says:

    Half way through, but am I the only person that thought, 'why not call it NaPoVIC, rather than NoPoVoInterCo?'

  59. Jack Herbic says:

    The electoral college was the best idea the founders had

  60. Scott Lasky says:

    Best video you've put out in a long time, man – loved it!

  61. Jimnez. 84 says:

    Representation only if you are a land owner?
    I'm starting to really like the original ideals of the founding fathers.
    Englishman out.

  62. Burris Streaming says:

    another communist plan to do away with the constitution just like repealing the 2nd and 1st amendments.

  63. SobeCrunkMonster says:

    im just gonna laugh so hard when we are all dead and doomed

  64. THE ANGRY MARINE says:

    Okay so you're telling me that the sneaky backdoor puts the popular vote as the deciding vote?
    Considering what the Dems did in the last election and how they want to bring others in to vote for their candidate this is a bad, bad thing to have.

  65. Joshua B says:

    Do you even own land?

  66. Calcifur Gaming says:

    One key problem, You said voting against the populus in your state would be political suicide, but the problem is that the electoral college are not elected officials and can not be held accountable for how they vote.

  67. Alexander Chippel says:

    Man I can't wait for the elections to become so streamlined we elect people randomly and just kill them when they do things we don't like.

  68. andybaldman says:

    Why would anyone running this system do something that was fair (like this?)

  69. Dom G says:

    I think where people get most confused is that they think we are a democracy and it’s kinda brainwashed into us that we are, even politicians say we are and for presidents. But we are not a democracy we are a republic. The root of evil is mob rule, that’s why they set it up this way. To protect minorities and have the system freely flow between one party and another when we get tired of certain policy’s.

  70. SUPERBAD says:

    because we, the common people, are smart enough and have all the facts we need to make an informed decision on who should run a country. right? we're smarter than the people who have years upon years of experience in politics right guys?

  71. Para0234 says:

    A politician once said : "I do not fear dirrect democracy. People will vote as we tell them to."
    So be careful of what you wish, because it might happen to you…

  72. Belliger1991 says:

    Wow now the media campagning and impeachment hurry to get it all done before the next election makes a lot more sense

  73. FortuneZero says:

    I see. Its treason then.

  74. Shyhalu says:

    The electoral college was made to stop precisely what the open border lunatics are trying to do with illegals. The Democrats of today are attempting to and would happily continue to flood the country with immigrants in exchange for votes – easily overturning any election made by citizens.

    This is why some of the candidates want to get rid of it, its stopped the idiots running states like California (Which has dozens of cities worse than a third world country) into the ground from doing the same with America.
    I say this as a former Democrat, not a republican or conservative – #WalkAway

  75. Shyhalu says:

    LOL….this video is why your account was attacked by the idiots running youtube. The "false flag" was just a warning.

    Literally described what the DNC is trying to do by getting rid of the EC.

  76. UrStax Fetish says:

    Do you even own land??

    I died laughing cuz it true xD

  77. Lord Baelish says:

    You know you talk a lot of mad shit about the electoral college when you don't even live in the u.s.

  78. THE_KRAKEN says:

    1:27 I love how smug New York is, and how Rhode Island is stuck outside.

  79. PN B says:

    I WIsh Brazil had an electoral College, the founding fathers of the US were really smart, foreseeing a scenario where the tyranny of the majority could oppress the real minorities, making it so urban areas could dictate the lives on rural areas, not knowing anything about their issues and needs, taking away their voice and representation entirely.

    Honestly, if such a thing happens it would be better for the US to simply split and remove the U from US.

  80. ben shapiro is my hero says:

    Direct democracy is bad

  81. Quantum Proton says:

    You know, I wager that flipping a coin to choose the president would give us the same quality of leadership regardless of what people would have voted for.

  82. Heather-Lynne Van Wilde says:

    I've heard that there's a possible other 'snag' in that interstate agreements, because they cross state borders, have to be approved by Congress, via Article I Section 10 "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress… enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State."

    If so, then there's also the oddity that the Compact could go into affect, but without Congress approving it, would mean that there's no method of enforcing it anyway, because it's invalid.

  83. Simon Science says:

    Hey… Maybe this is what Godel was talking about when he said there was a loophole i n the US constitution that would let your become dictator/
    take control of the country

  84. Jacob Adam Grier says:

    I don't know why anyone would be so against something that protects minority group interests and requires a candidate to win a plurality of groups and a plurality of interests over most of the country. Sure winning over the group with the most individuals is great and all. . aka self destruction for every nation that has tried it. Consider this: The US is the most diverse (actual diversity, not the sjw definition of diversity) nation to ever exist. Nations that were for the most part homogeneous with few differing interests were torn apart by popular vote systems. What do you really think will happen to the US under this type of system? There is a good reason the US is the oldest Constitutionally ruled nation on Earth and the EC is part of that. France Became a Democracy shortly after we won our independence. How many constitutions have they had since then? 16! Each with massive instability, revolution, riots, and ample amounts of death and destruction. . . . Please consider that when you think of abandoning the EC.

    Also the NPV is a dead movement with leftist adoption of the cause.

  85. Brandom Castor says:

    So our vote doesn’t matter 😂

  86. GlobalGaming101 says:

    This is an amazing strategy.
    However, I think it could cause a literal civil war. I can see massive unrest as a result.

  87. just look at the picture says:

    I kinda love how Grey is rooting for chaos
    I can get behind that

  88. Joseph Farhat says:

    You forgot to mention that it would only take five states to win the election, California Michigan New York Texas Florida

  89. Captain Vietnam says:

    "You can't trust the people"
    Looking at the 2016 election
    Good point

  90. ImTr1pp1nFace says:

    I still say Heinlein had the best idea in Starship Troopers: only citizens can vote, not civilians.
    Would you like to know more?

  91. A Dog says:

    I just noticed that all the states are topless

  92. Cameron Paczek says:

    What stops a state from repealing their decision to vote with the popular vote at the last minute.

  93. Isaac Smith says:

    Can't wait for the QnA cuz Grey just hit 4 million.

  94. Timothy Chapman says:

    The electoral college does need a couple of revisions:
    1. Each state gets 1 vote regardless of population.
    2. Each state must vote according to the popular vote of that state.

  95. Oleg Oleg says:


    I didn't understand a single thing

  96. Bookswiper says:

    Sure lets just let california run the country, they totaly havent ruined their own state or anything

  97. OniGanon says:

    I'm not american so maybe I'm mistaken here but wasn't this thing inspired by the 2016 election? So aren't the states that agreed to this already blue states anyway?

  98. borgos beats says:

    giving your electoral college votes to the popular majority is unconstitutional

  99. 85 Gaming says:

    No thank you very much

  100. Robert Wozniak says:

    Comment section: political argument madness

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