Would Free Healthcare & College Destroy the Military?


Would Free Healthcare & College Destroy the Military?

Second question today, Hey David, wouldn’t
free college and healthcare drastically, kneecap military enlistment since lots of people join
the military to get those things. So there’s two parts here. Question one is whether that would happen. Question two is whether it’s a bad thing. It is true. There are lots of people who go into the military
in the United States because they can’t afford to go to college or they are not cut out for
college and the military is one of the most direct paths to earning a steady paycheck
from a reliable employer. There are other financial reasons and certainly
healthcare is another thing that the military provides. There are also arguments which say that if
you improve education and healthcare and access to them, you would end up with more people
enlisting because they know they can always go back to getting an education and they might
feel less pressured to do it right away because they know that it’s always there waiting for
them in some sound sense, but I believe that that is effectively not the right way to approach
the question. Number one. Fortunately for us, we have more than enough
people in our military and a significantly bigger than necessary military force, so the
military not having enough recruits because people can go to college or have healthcare
is not a realistic concern. Number two, let’s go even further though. People who join the military for economic
necessity. I don’t believe are the people that I would
prefer be in the military if we don’t have a draft, which we don’t. I want the people in the military to be people
who want to be in the military, not people who have no interest in it but have no money
for education or healthcare and they join out of desperation. I don’t think that that’s good for the military. This is why the recruiting that the military
does in poor areas, going to high schools where the appeal is simply economic is so
predatory and I will even go further than that. If we had universal healthcare, you might
break the bottleneck that is the overloaded VA hospital and improve treatment for veterans
by clearing out the VA facilities a little bit by allowing people to go elsewhere. Education can make it so that when veterans
come back from serving, they have more options for jobs when they come back and they will
be a better integrated into society as opposed to often ending up concentrated in certain
fields. One other thing, tons of young people aren’t
even eligible to enlist because of health issues, including obesity, which is an epidemic
in the United States. Better educated people are less likely to
be obese. Overall healthier people with access to healthcare
are less likely to be obese. It is an interesting proposition that by providing
education and healthcare to people, you will reduce obesity and increase the number of
people that are medically eligible to join the military and actually grow the number
of people that are enlisting. It’s something to think about. So I think that whenever we, we see something
like, Oh, hold on. Uh, if people no longer need to join the military
because they be for healthcare or economic reasons, the military will be hurt. Well, let’s first figure out whether that’s
true. And secondly, let’s figure out whether it’s
actually hurt if different people or fewer people are enlisting. I think in this case the answer seems to be
the exact opposite.

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100 thoughts on “Would Free Healthcare & College Destroy the Military?”

  1. mountaingoat1003 says:

    WOW! That is an element of American social control. You compel some unlucky portion of the population to join the army by having a miserly society. The usurers will never be in your position.

  2. Sho Ent says:

    The quick and short answer: no

    Using a fraction (a fraction) of the spenditure (which 40% we don't know were it goes – it goes to "black ops" that really are these huge military complex system made up by rich white folks who get the contract with the gov (croonies) to develop weapons (and keeps a ton of the money) and live better than most hard working Americans : facts

  3. Asa Coe says:

    It would increase.
    If people knew that their government gave a damn about them. Then in-turn, theywould serve their own country better.
    Duh. 😜

  4. Trajan Nerva says:

    I think it would help it.. it would weed out the desperate ppl who don’t really serve for service sake. It would slim the defense budget.

  5. o0Avalon0o says:

    Not only that, the collective organization has been enacting policies to decrease the number of applicants because they have plenty & have been increasing tech to replace as many military positions as possible. They don't want our highschool dropouts anymore.

  6. lmbarnes3 says:

    I think people join military because they are not cut out for college just yet, they don't have the money to go to college and they don't want to just work at McDonald's until they do, they want to leave their little town, or they need a job/career and don't want to just work at McDonald's.

    Colleges in my state have an acceptance rate of about 5% for freshman which means several people graduating from ALL the high schools don't even get accepted to ANY college.

  7. priceandpride says:

    Ding ding ding ding ding. You asked the million dollar question. Not to mention all the people in healthcare with outrageously high salaries. You think they will want to put service over salary?

  8. ARMORED KONG says:

    Free Healthcare & Free College. Bernie must be really dumb socialism.

  9. You’re Right says:

    Not cut out for college…. fact, it’s harder to get into the military than it is to get into college

  10. You’re Right says:

    So as a recruiter, the main thing that disqualifies people is being too fat, being too dumb to pass an ASVAB. (Fun fact, it’s harder to get into the Army than college) Tricare doesn’t really sell many people on the Army because they don’t understand it, and college only typically sells people on the Army reserve so they can be a full time student. Most people join for the adventure and the financial security.

  11. You’re Right says:

    Funny listening to David, someone who’s never served a minute in any branch talk about who he prefers defend the country. If you don’t serve along side us, I don’t think you have the right to decide who does.

  12. Catharine Hunter says:

    Nope. Just healthy, educated people.

  13. R Ligon says:

    We get paid good in the military, and travel. Most of all, the retirement was the best. It no longer is however

  14. Oborowatabinost says:

    When I was in highschool recruiters would come in and tell us they would pay our tuition. People join for the education and stay for the healthcare.

  15. Soul Brotha#1 says:

    First of all let’s get one thing straight here, Health Care or Education benefits is not free. We pay into Tri-Care and the GI Bill system with our money and our time. Furthermore, in order to receive your education and medical benefits whether it’s time serve or early retirement or 20 plus years of service. Service member’s must have a Honorable Discharge first before you granted access to them. That’s a fact!!! Bottom line is this is a false narrative, nothing is given free to Veterans, we earned them honorably!!!!

  16. alvatrous says:

    We could also just pay infantry troops better.

  17. ღSwnsasyღ _ says:

    This seems like a crazy question to me and then it took me a minute to understand the question without blinders because I know SO MANY in the military and not one said this is why they joined. I mean they were in for 20+yrs.. I've just heard people say, Hey I'll get college! But they go because they want to serve.. I've actually never in my life heard anyone say Healthcare though but that's just my knowledge…

  18. Sail Morgan says:

    You know that's Bolshie…., that's what makes american Military so great free recruits

  19. Mellowcanuck says:

    REally? Smart soldiers is a threat? Obesity is the real threat against service.

  20. Jared Caldwell says:

    There's no such thing as free.

  21. Jared Caldwell says:

    Military is a job like any other

  22. M! says:

    I think it would. I'm currently in right now and free college and healthcare is a strong recruiting tool. Rentension rates for military are extremely low. Most folks do 4 years and split.

  23. Matthew Koller says:

    the most backlash I have received, besides people over 65, is from some of my slightly older (gen x) military friends.
    "I had to join and serve to EARN these benefits, why should everyone get them without any effort"
    my response, I am very very sorry you had to risk your life for basic rights, that every human, and some other sentient beings deserve, but just because you survived a broken system does not mean you should force others to fit through that extremely specific mold. I want you to have those things without risking you life. and in exchange, when I am president, I will send you fair market value of what you earned; I cannot take away your sacrifice, but hey it's better than 4 grand a year for a missing thumb, right! 😋😅

  24. IDIOT BOX says:

    Fossil fuel wars are coming to an end.

  25. Andrew Smith says:

    While I didn't join the military for healthcare it was a big reason to reenlist. Personally, I did join because the other option felt like going into massive amount of college debt to MAYBE get a job.

  26. DeLa Sol says:

    This is such a valid point. Most poor kids join the military because they can’t afford college.

  27. Cognitively Absurd says:

    That person asks this like that's a bad thing lmao

  28. Elijah Ford says:

    Should we really withhold healthcare and education to get people to risk their lives in our pointless wars?

  29. TheVirusSoftware says:

    No. The US relies on mercenaries at this point, predominantly Blackwater. Lack of civilian interest in joining military would be solved only by outsourcing more military jobs to privatized warlords, since introduction of mandatory draft would face huge opposition from every political side, and possibly prevent further imperialism.
    Soldiers must be brought back home, wars must be ended, and military must serve defensive purposes, intead of preerving the capitalist dominance over the planet, as well as significance of the Petro Dollar.

  30. Mario Antonio Crespo says:

    Singing is in my blood. So I was more likely going to become a singer 🎤

  31. Eric Bilodeau says:

    It would reduce enrollment. Not destroy it. Not even close. They could easily compensate for the losses by increasing enlistees compensation. So it would either become a little bit smaller (and therefore cheaper) or to maintain the same size it would cost a bit more.

  32. DaKermitFrog says:

    Add in UBI in there and people won't even go into the reserves lol. Never thought about this but it'd make sense.

  33. Linus Nilsson says:

    Be gone wicked sorcerer of Satan! There are no such thing as free healthcare you loonie. You progressive/neo liberal sorcerers like to referrer to my country Sweden as a good example. I can assure you that the only people that think healthcare here is greate is people who never have had to use it, it's reality bad, last time I needed to see a doctor it took 3 month for me to get an appointment, and another 3 to get treatment. And as to free I pay far north of 70% in total taxes. The median wealth in Sweden is, I think, the second lowest in Europe. But yeah it's gonna work when you do it. You progressive nutcases tricking people into believing in fantasies.
    Forgive your father, stop watching p0rn, and stop tricking people into fascistic oppressive hellholes.

  34. FierceDeity says:

    It would definitely prevent a lot of people from joining. That can be a good thing or a bad thing.

  35. Matt Roberts says:

    A smaller military isn't necessarily a bad thing, means less offensive endless wars can be started and some of those on-going endless wars can be stopped. Defence should be that, defending not attacking. It might lead to better pay for the military as an incentive to join.

  36. MomoTheBellyDancer says:

    We can only hope

  37. zog zog says:

    There should be more debate on this.

  38. Dan Kortebein says:


  39. USugo says:

    the military has been for a long time the largest socialist welfare program in the US, representing the place to go for many people coming from economically depressed areas of the country, areas that accidentally are traditionally GOP strongholds.

  40. mzavros says:

    I grew up in the military life. Many of my peers that were stoners, too poor to pay for college or just clueless about what they should do with their life joined the military. Many either didn't come back or didn't come back in one piece. Physically or psychologically. Everyone talks of "serving the country" without asking what or who our country serves.

  41. Zarrakon says:

    This is exactly the problem. The military holds services over your head that should already be free. Saying “hey kiddo free stuff come risk your life”

  42. Wallaby Inertia says:

    Never thought about this question. It’s already less than %1 of America in the military. So it would be interesting if it did affect the military negatively. This would mean that we would need another reason to enlist new recruits. I know that protecting America should be all the motivation they need, but most people have dreams of a family and kids that they want to stick around for as well. Deployment always offers the risk of death. So if you have your free healthcare and college (I’m assuming free trade school as well), then what is the incentive to join and risk death. I work in one of the many areas of recruiting for the military, so I could see this really affecting them.

    That being said, I would still like free healthcare because no one deserves to die for something that could be medically treated. I speak from having a type 1 diabetic wife and thankful toward the military that I can support her insulin needs.

  43. skyblaze eterno says:

    Would Free Healthcare & College Destroy the Military?….we can hope so

  44. skyblaze eterno says:

    Would Free Healthcare & College Destroy the Military?….we can hope so

  45. Dave says:

    David’s pretty sharp so it’s weird that he doesn’t consider the possibility that the military could simply offer other incentives. Surprised that Dave missed that

  46. Thetruth908 says:

    Three types of people in the military.
    1. They are doing it because it’s sort of a legacy thing their parents or relatives are in the military so it’s only right that they go.
    2. They don’t have the money to go to college or they want to travel and see the world so they go.
    3. They want to legally kill people without having to worry about any prison time

  47. Steven Contreras says:

    I feel like I was preyed on to join the military. But, i still think I ended up with a damn fine deal in the end. So it worked out pretty well for me

  48. Guilt Trip says:

    Id rather have a military of motivated soldiers than a benefit earner who wont work as hard. Over the next 30 years, our military is taking a nosedive in numbers. I served, but would not encourage anyone to join. The govt does not take care of vets and the system is so overloaded.

  49. vegass04 says:

    Once again David shows us he's completely clueless when it comes to size and strength of our military. No, our military isn't too big. No our military budget isn't to big. David wake up, we're in the midst of the great power competition. You're focusing on Medicare and your general lack of knowledge about the geo strategy and military doctrine is appalling. Educate yourself a bit before spewing these Leftist talking points. Our military is smaller and has less ships and aircraft then in 2000 when we had the complete advantage over our adversaries and China and Russia weren't belligerent or on the rise. Your lack of knowledge on the matter really saddens me since I know you always make an effort to know what you're talking about. Sad, David..

  50. Nerdcoresteve1 says:

    Or we could just pay them more.

  51. Cam F says:

    NO, Australia, Canada, the UK all have strong professional military services.

  52. Joe Arnold says:


    If it can do the cops next, thatd be even better

  53. Dan L says:

    Really good video with an original and importantl topic.

  54. Chaotic Good says:

    You are 100% correct. Retired veteran here. Way too many people join the military because it is a jobs program with college benefits, not because they want to be in the military. The US military turned out to be a corporate jobs program. This is one reason why as a whole the US military has NO performance standards and can fight the same war for 18 plus years without even thinking that is a major problem. They tell us, just shut up, go along with it and get some college. This is a meritocracy afer all and if you go to college and have NO military performance standards, you can be in charge of the shit show called the US military too. This is how we all went to college yet got alot dumber in the US military. No genuine purpose other than get your college degree while taking other people's oil, based on measurable results of course. End of veteran rant.

  55. Kdog says:

    Trump already signed into law the VA mission act to take care of some of the bottlenecking in the VA

    also congressman rand Paul is proposing the HELPER act which allows parents to take money out of thier 401k (I believe roughly up to $5,000/year) to put towards thier kid going to school, now obviously this hasn't passed yet but it's a good idea. 2 parents using this program would make 10k a year they can put away for thier kid.

  56. OK Boomer says:

    The military has been used for a spree of international war crimes with seven countries being illegally attacked since Iraq. At this point, fuck the military and fuck the people that join it. David is locked into the ideology of American exceptionalism where everything America does is good. In this sense he is just a poor man's Rachel Maddow.

  57. Holistic Hottie says:

    Everyone I know who joined the military did it for education.

  58. Matthew Dobbs says:

    Ridiculous. Spot on David, the military wants soldiers not 'medical migrants'.

  59. Jeedai Murishani says:

    Would definitely hurt recruitment. Good!! Fucking recruiters are child predators!!💯💯 #FuckYourWars

  60. Drake Santiago says:

    The military is much like religious institutions. They both are the most successful at gaining new members when people are in despair. They both exploit people when they are their most vulnerable. Their propaganda is the most effective on people when they are young and impressionable.

  61. Irene Haralabatos says:

    I would be delighted to have the opportunity to find out what universal healthcare and free college do to society. I think it will be beneficial in many ways.

  62. Blazin Blasphemer says:

    As a veteran I completely agree with David. When people join the military for the wrong reasons, it destroys true patriotic duty to the constitution and freedoms.

  63. Ghislaine deFeligonde says:

    Rich people force poor people into risking their life as soldiers, because they have no alternative. That alone is a reason for better education and healthcare. No one should feel pressured into enlisting, that should be an informed choice. (and soldiers and veterans deserve to be treated way better anyways)

  64. QQminusS says:

    I would have gone into the military if they could have helped me enter medical school. Mentioning this plan seemed to alienate me from the interviewers. I considered joining as some other “butter” capacity like combat medic or psy op or intelligence. But it turned out I was too fat. And beside this point, I was philosophically misaligned with the objectives pursued by some of those roles.

    I scored a 91 on the diagnostic assessment test, and I had those options available to me. I really wanted to serve as a medical officer. To some degree, my being unable to obtain my goal dissatisfied me with the whole idea.

  65. Adam Charlton says:

    I don't think growing the military is a good idea. We're already in so many senseless wars, fighting for big oil and to sell more weapons/get more contracts, increase spending. Nobody is attacking us, when we were attacked it was Saudi Arabia and our government cuddles up with them, then we invaded a different country for it. I don't understand why people would even want to join the military other than ecomical reasons which is sad. The main reason so many other countries don't like us is because we keep invading them and then destroy their economy. Most soldiers are really just brainwashed pawns

  66. iRawnix Tv says:

    Kind of fucked up how people are willing to LITERALLY DIE for school, that’s just sad in such a developed nation.

  67. Kvyn Gmbyr says:

    NO! it's bloated with Outside Contractor Thievery that can be cut (one Trillion dollar worthless jet)

  68. CyFr's Corner says:

    There's still a need for jarheads

  69. Mr Underhill says:

    We will not have as many wars with a democratic socialist – maybe we could start trying to use our forces for good rather than evil and then we would have to turn people away from the military.

  70. Shawn Mcfadden says:

    I'm going to say NO to both. I served in the Army for 21 years, and my reasons for joining were NOT because of free College or health care. Granted I'm one guy with this point of view, however there would be other reasons as to why one would join the military.

  71. Cosmodian Sagansfire says:

    Currently in 7 war zones…. if recruiting suffers Great! We need to focus on the homefront (infrastructure) and our citizens.

  72. tutenkharnage says:

    Short answer: No.
    Long answer: Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno.

  73. ButterscotchBanana says:

    Yeah, uh…do y'all have any idea how much money you can save up on active duty? Plus, depending on the MOS you choose, they give you a massive bonus — I got ten grand, but I know people who got twice that. Plus, military service looks great on a resume, and you get job training and experience. It's also a path to citizenship, which could've taken years otherwise. And honestly? It can be really fun sometimes.

    Tl;dr: tuition assistance and access to healthcare aren't the only reasons people join the military, and eliminating the need for it isn't gonna have a huge impact on enlistment

  74. Everything Cool says:

    as a brit it is bs you should only have people in the military who are willing to die for there country it should not be the case that people have to join the military because it's the only way of getting free stuff because it's saying that you have to be willing to die to get stuff it's quite bad

  75. cooper says:

    No. They would reinstitute the draft meaning rich kids get a chance to fight for oil for other rich people.

    Meaning we will war less.

  76. KFC finger licker says:

    I thought of joining the military when I was young. No, it's not because my family was poor and we can likely still sustain and manage college expenses. It's the fact the military almost seemed to have a good amount of benefits from housing, loans, food, healthcare, and potential college tuition compared to paying college. Of course, there were risks joining the military, but what type of life or job doesn't have risks anyway?

    Turns out, when I asked the recruiter if I was fit enough to go. I had to be off my mental medicine for 5 years to be viably functional.

  77. cooper says:

    Truths. Further, all that Medicare for all doesn’t cover “all” arguement, well, make VA close all the gaps so military is best insurance, period.

    Further, the bloated peacetime military can be commissioned to handle Medicare for all at the onset, for a crisp changeover.
    Processing bills, data, etc. Give those that join skills outside of the military.

    And at military pay. Would make it easier to calculate after year 3 or four where to move the department to.

  78. Seymore Butz says:

    If we provide free healthcare and college will they be less likely to kill for it? Hope so.

  79. Dragonzord says:

    It wouldn't hurt the military anymore then the military is hurting itself and the government is hurting it. Shit if I knew what i knew now I never would have joined and i've asked kids this when they tell me they are thinking about joining.

    I say that sounds great but ask yourself what are you really fighting for?

    How many counties are we fighting in right now? How many of those are legit wars or just wars over some resource? And of that legit war is going in guns a blazing really a good idea when that is a big reason they hate us in the 1st place?

    There has been how many mass shootings since school started in August? What has the government done to stop them? And what have they said to the kids begging save us?

    Look at the weather im 30 and I've have never seen weather like this have you? They mock climate change science while rolling back environment protections allowing big corporations to dump toxic waste in your rivers, lakes, woods and food producing fields.

    They attack safely regulations tell me do you want to eat a burger from a sick cow or a healthy one?

    They attack education for the poor but pay for their kids too get in to elite schools without meeting the requirements for it.

    They give tax cuts to the rich and say it will help the poor are you better off now then before?

    The attack healthcare for anyone not rich. And after you leave the military thank about this how many VA scandals about not meeting the basic needs for care has their been in the past 3 years?

    Tell me what are you willing to fight for?

  80. just gil says:

    There will always be people dumb enough to join the military.
    I'm a veteran and have seen it 1st hand.
    Exhibit A: remember the nfl star who joined the army to become a special forces soldier or something like that?
    Yeah, educated people will do that as well.
    An education doesn't equal intelligence.

  81. Kris Frederick says:

    I don't care what you think of his views but Fahrenheit 9/11 does address the predatory tactics you're referring to. I recommend it to you. I suspect you have a political filter

  82. Andrew H says:

    It would almost certainly reduce the number of enlistees. Almost no one joins the military just to join. They want a job, or healthcare, or education. Would it ''kneecap'' it? Probably not and even if it did we could just do what Sweden did, and just make people do a 2 year tour.

  83. Adrian Nelson says:

    Free college and healthcare will shrink the military? Great! Just another reason we need them!

  84. Bengt Kiil says:

    Who’s keeping you down when you think about it?

  85. chucku00 says:

    Too many puppies

  86. Net I says:

    Yes, it would reduce the military.

  87. Dfuher D says:

    Such a question could only be asked by an American. U guys are sooooo selfabsorbed, u never look outside ur country, if u did, that would very quickly answer the question with a big fat NO. Several other countries, including mine, do just fine with our military, our free healthcare and free college.

  88. A1 Dex says:

    I hope so. Fuck the military

  89. Rodney Brass says:

    I am prior military, and I can tell you there are more benefits than college, and healthcare, that can make the military desirable.

  90. Anna Rehbinder says:

    So make the benefits after the military better, housing loans with very low interest rates, housing guarantee etc

  91. Jcewazhere says:

    Educated people are less likely to be fat? I'd love to see that study. I'm one of the bigger guys in my class but there are several that put my gut to shame 😛 Through my associates, bachelor's and on I've seen about equal body shapes inside and outside of the classroom.

  92. Duane Locsin says:

    With all due respect to those serving in the military past and present. I seriously considered a life long career in the military after high school, particularly the Navy. – Honor, Duty, Patriotism and all that good stuff.
    However over long term observation, the 'Armed forces' looks nothing more than a massive offensive force, that operates at the bidding of the very rich and powerful hiding behind government.

  93. jim Awesome says:

    not destroy. The military is always necessary unless countries merge and war is no longer necessary.

  94. Spaghetti Monster's judging your life choices says:

    David your almost certainly wrong about this. The military already has a hard time acquiring qualified recruits. Mostly because of legal problems, lack of education and people being to fat. The number one reason people join that isn't based on feelings, emotional reasons. is college. If we gave away higher education to everyone the military would probably lose 30% of their enlistments. The military is a very small concern in the grand scope of this argument. The national benefit of anyone being able to go to college would be massive. The US economy would probably add another 10-15% GDP on top of what we have today. The military could conceivably gain their recruits back the same way any job would though. If nobody is applying for a job that's the market telling you that you need to pay more or offer better benefits. It's part of the reason they have trouble now, although not a huge one. This would cost the tax payer but imo base pay should be higher anyway so to me that's a bonus. Healthcare is almost certainly not of concern though. Especially since the VA has such a bad reputation. Maybe if the VA was the gold standard it might make a little difference but I doubt it. Young people don't generally think about healthcare. You want to know why people enlist?
    These are the reasons. 👇

  95. J Bellfield says:

    As someone from the UK I can confirm free access to healthcare does not reduce obesity, sorry but you need another magic bullet for that problem. Better education will probably have a much, much bigger impact on obesity.

    I'm not knocking the NHS, but free healthcare will not solve obesity. It will help stop people dying from it, but it won't stop them getting themselves into that situation in the first place.

  96. Syd Beretta says:

    haven't we been through this worn-out talking point before and the fact that the military increase budget from last year alone would have covered free college for everyone
    Healthcare is all about cutting the costs I don't understand why people are still buying into these bad faith false p narratives

  97. Immortal SoFar says:

    Who knows, the rich and powerful might end up having to send their own children to be killed for their own interests. Not unknown – the younger sons of the British aristocracy were purchased commissions. Sure, the cannon fodder was still the poor but at least they had some kind of stake in it. They wouldn't sacrifice their heir, but the spare was fair game – especially if you kept one in the clergy to keep them safe just in case.

  98. ޓކހރ-ލއއބޚ says:

    I think this would have been a valid concern 20+ years ago, but these days we've built a culture around the military and guns. Many on the right think it's cool. That's why we see people selling "tactical" everything, tactical pants, tactical flashlights, tactical diaper bags, tactical asswipes, etc etc etc. After 9/11 there was a very successful propaganda campaign to make being in the military look cool. That's also why the AR-15 (the civilian variant of the M-16) is so popular, and you have people dressing up in camo and going down to the border with their AR-15s and assigning eachother ranks and playing military commando. The military has become engrained in our culture in certain swaths of the country. Free college isn't going to change that.

  99. Russell ward says:

    Its totaly predatory. They tell all kind sof lies just to get people to sign and many of them dont realize the contract isnt valid that way.

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